Stem Cell Research

[djfreshy]

God skillfully created you too, but go and ask the religions what they think about your lifestyle.

 

[weet-bix]

have to disagree.....abortion is not only done of embryo /slash cell structure..BUT also done on gestational periods right up till the 19 th week of pregnancy and in cases even further along .....i am not going to judge anyone on this matter as its a personal opinion and each to your own beliefs .....but its not a choice I would make.....

My understanding is that the cells they use are not from older embryos......and to have an abortion that late there needs to be some damn good reasons...

 

[CassM]

But it is murder if these are creatures which god has skillfuly created. They were meant to be born.

So you would have that woman suffer and grow to resent and possibly hate her child? Can you imagine the psychological damage that that poor child may endure knowing he was never wanted? That because of a ridiculous draconian law, that is the only reason they're alive.

It is not murder, they're are merely a group of cells when the child is terminated, they have no distinguishing human features. Most of the time they're not even foetus' yet.

Because I was not skilfully created by God, I was skilfully created by my Mum's gynaecologist, does that now mean I can choose to have an abortion?

 

[Hsut77]

Imo, religion has no logical place in a scientific debate. Again, in my opinion, religion and science can't co-exist. Steam Cell research is being held back while people suffer and die.

 

[Chris1]

abortion happens regardless, its not about is abortion ok, its about is it ok to use the cells which are doomed anyway.

 

[grimbeny]

God loves all people equally whether they were born into an unloving family or not. He loves all his children and wants the best for them. The right to life is somthing i bestow on all.

 

[cris]

Imo, religion has no logical place in a scientific debate. Again, in my opinion, religion and science can't co-exist. Steam Cell research is being held back while people suffer and die.

They can coexist just obviously not as one, just like in a library there is a fiction section and a non fiction section...

Im all for stem cells research provided they arnt killing live humans that would have lived otherwise, this has never been on the agenda either to my knowledge.

 

[CassM]

God loves all people equally whether they were born into an unloving family or not. He loves all his children and wants the best for them. The right to life is somthing i bestow on all.

Well, as it stands women have the right to choose. I very much doubt that you can bestow the right to life on every Australian woman.

 

[grimbeny]

I dont think i will ever understand you chris1, you love your mindless souless beardies and treat them like kings and queens even if it is detrimental to their health. Yet you are careless when it comes to real human beings who have a soul and will infact grow into people who can understand the world arround them, probably better than you.

 

[redbellybite]

My understanding is that the cells they use are not from older embryos......and to have an abortion that late there needs to be some damn good reasons...

true weetbix , but there are woman that go about getting one in the second and third tri mester that have nothing wrong with them or bub .just dont want it .....America you can still have third tri mester terminations.. the baby is given a saline injection to which the bub dies and the woman births a still born.........emotional issues on both sides of the coin and like i said i dont agree but am not going to cast a stone at any other woman for her decision in this subject matter ......

 

[CassM]

I dont think i will ever understand you chris1, you love your mindless souless beardies and treat them like kings and queens even if it is detrimental to their health. Yet you are careless when it comes to real human beings who have a soul and will infact grow into people who can understand the world arround them, probably better than you.

And I don't think some people will ever understand your Draconian views on women's rights.

I find it immensely ironic that you preach like a religious zealot but your signature is 'faith is ignorance'

 

[Chris1]

I dont think i will ever understand you chris1, you love your mindless souless beardies and treat them like kings and queens even if it is detrimental to their health. Yet you are careless when it comes to real human beings who have a soul and will infact grow into people who can understand the world arround them, probably better than you.

no need to make it personal,..?

my statement was that its ok to use cells which are doomed anyway.

just like i cant understand why thousands of kittens are put down every year but theyre not sold as pet food.

i hate wasteage, stem cells are currently being thrown in the bin when they could be used to help a bunch of people.

btw, the mindless/souless comment is also a matter of opinion, i just happen to like them better than i like most humans. i love their innocence, humans are evil, which is why i dont plan on breeding myself.
and i dont do anything that is detrimental to their health, well except feed them, but i'm doing my best with the fat girl.

 

[grimbeny]

Im not really making it personal just pointing out how i cannot comprehend your logic sometimes. Are you really suggesting bearded dragons have a soul???

As for not doing anything detrimental, id think letting your beardies free range along with taking certain animals to work is questionable at the least.

 

[Chris1]

more of a soul than some people,...if you believe in that kinda thing,....

my beardies like to free range, the beardy i took to work for 2 weeks was staying warm for her anti biotics to work. (i actually asked her vet if i should take her and he said that was fine) i learnt my lesson with her upset tummy and make sure she basks if she eats and stopped feeding her those worms. thats 1 problem in 4 years of having beardies,...i dont think u could call that detrimental,.....

are u really suggesting that ALL people have more right to life than animals?

 

[Snake_Whisperer]

I find it immensely ironic that you preach like a religious zealot but your signature is 'faith is ignorance'

LOL! That's all I'll say about that one. Nice work Cass!

Of course the research needs to be done. It is funny (queer, not ha ha) that throughout history, it has always been the church attempting to stifle scientific and medical research. (Please don't ask me to dig up examples, it will only embarass you and annoy me. Accept it, this is not a controversial statement.) If there was a god and this god had a problem with his minions learning the things humans have learned (transplants, genetics, flight, the wheel, quantum theory, etc, etc, etc.), wouldn't he/she have done something about it by now?

Dang, I had so wanted to leave religion out of my mini diatribe. Yes, for the advancement of the species, all of you much more highly educated people out there, please, do the research. I am certain that somewhere down the line I will do something idiotic that will require that I accept treatment based on the aforementioned research, to repair whatever the heck it is that I will invariably do to myself!

 

[weet-bix]

Get back on topic please............Chris1's dubious husbandry has nothing to do with this arguement. Abortion is not the whole issue either.
Stem cell research is an incredibly valuable thing that should get full support from all governments and the medical fraternity........every person (not bunch of cells) has the right to be given all medical help to live a life to their best potential...........perhaps make a rule that if you dont support it then if you need its benefits you dont get it....

 

[DanTheMan]

Can you really justify the taking of one life for the sake of making another slightly better?

You dont realise, its hardly a life
im for it, and im sure if you ended up in a wheel chair that youd think differently about it

I saw one thing on tv a while ago that made me sick, some lady refused it for her daughter because she was religious, her own daughter?!?! over an embryo that isn't a person yet?

 

[Earthling]

God loves all people equally whether they were born into an unloving family or not. He loves all his children and wants the best for them. The right to life is somthing i bestow on all.

I see you believe in god very strongly. Good on you. I also appreciate your right to believe ethics as the Bible says. And also practice those ethics as laid down in the bible into your life.

I do not believe in god. My ethics do not use the bible as their base.

What right do either of us have saying how the other should live their life?

I say live and let live. Dont push your god ethics onto society and I wont push my ethics onto society.
Regarding wether a particular science is ethical should be asked of all the community, not just the religous.
Then if the particular science goes ahead, people can decide using their own ethical base as to wether they will take part in the benefits of the particular science.

When religion pushes its views into laws that also effect non-religous citizens, is in my view, very unethical.

 

[grimbeny]

I have no problem with the research in general. Its just when this research inpinges on an individuals right for life. Life is a beautiful thing and i beleive murder will never be acceptable regardless. Whats next breeding people for the sole purpose of harvesting their organs or genetically engineering super men. Where do you draw the line????

 

[DanTheMan]

But it is murder if these are creatures which god has skillfuly created. They were meant to be born.

HA!
Dont bring religion into this, its a discussion on FACTS