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[Ramsayi]

Can anyone explain to me how a breeder selling gtp hatchies can guarantee that theirs are 100% aussie?

Congrats on your greens Matt,good stuff.

 

[Reptilian]

craftsman, I merely did not understand what you were trying to say in the respect of one minute you said that IYO its a pity that people "bastardise" our aussie GTP's... Now I understood that to be meaning x breeding or whatever...

Yet the next time your are saying that you dont have a problem with people doing it...

This is merely why i did not comment but instead put ???

 

[CarpetPythons.com.au]

I have enough experience. But your animals are worth double of what any other green is worth, that why you should be able to show people their collection data and collection permits. They were never around about 5 years ago.In regards to the reduced vertebral lines, I have heard many stories. And stories they all are indeed. The vertebral line is a genetic trait of this locality. It has nothing to do with the amount of UV light they get, or that their diet is not the same or any of the other rubbish that people get told. Meraukes have the solid vertebral stripe as soon as they complete the ontogenic change. It should thus happen with pure aussie greens as well.
If I am wrong then please give me the links to where the data is pertaining to their vertebral striping or any concrete scientific evidence. I am never too old to learn new things. I can also say sorry if I was wrong.
Regards

 

[Retic]

I really can't see a problem with the advert, it seemed very clear to me. VERY few people know where their Greens came from originally and it is of course not possible to 100% guarantee them as Australian.

 

[CarpetPythons.com.au]

But surely there must be just one bit of paperwork to show that the animals were collected legally? They came out of nowhere. Five years ago there was not even rumours about true aussie greens in captivity. Breeders were struggling to produce their exotic lines consistently. Sure they have not been hidden for fifteen years so they could just suddenly pop up at astranomical prices? Pardon my sceptisism but there are just so many variables in this regard.

 

[Jonno from ERD]

Cordylus,

I'm not sure who you were talking to, but there were several pure Aussie Greens in captivity 5 years ago. Just because you didn't know about them doesn't mean they didn't exist...they weren't exactly animals people were boasting about.

craftsman (I think) has mentioned earlier that there were no less than 5 collection permits issued for Greens by QPWS. Of course there is also going to be progeny floating around from illegally poached animals, as there is for EVERY species of reptile in captivity.

At the end of the day, like every other locality based argument, there is no way of PROVING that the animals are Aussie - you rely on a mixture of trust, knowledge and hope.

 

[CarpetPythons.com.au]

Thanks for clearing that up Jonno.

 

[craftsman]

craftsman, I merely did not understand what you were trying to say in the respect of one minute you said that IYO its a pity that people "bastardise" our aussie GTP's... Now I understood that to be meaning x breeding or whatever...

Yet the next time your are saying that you dont have a problem with people doing it...

This is merely why i did not comment but instead put ???

Please read what I said. I try again: I am not against crossing non-native GTPs with other non-native GTPs because they have cross bred in everywhichway in the past anyway.
I oppose to crossing natives with non-natives.

 

[cris]

He has put a male over an exotic, the offspring are obviously going into the mixed/hybrid gtp category, like all hybrids if they are above board it isnt a problem, well untill someone wants to pass one of these cheaper snakes as an Aussie (some will no doubt look the same). Its back to the old hybridisation arguement.

Each to their own, but i reckon whinging on a forum wont change much.

 

[craftsman]

I have enough experience. But your animals are worth double of what any other green is worth, that why you should be able to show people their collection data and collection permits. They were never around about 5 years ago.In regards to the reduced vertebral lines, I have heard many stories. And stories they all are indeed. The vertebral line is a genetic trait of this locality. It has nothing to do with the amount of UV light they get, or that their diet is not the same or any of the other rubbish that people get told. Meraukes have the solid vertebral stripe as soon as they complete the ontogenic change. It should thus happen with pure aussie greens as well.
If I am wrong then please give me the links to where the data is pertaining to their vertebral striping or any concrete scientific evidence. I am never too old to learn new things. I can also say sorry if I was wrong.
Regards

My snakes are not double the price of others. They may be double than of some. If you had plenty of experience with native GTPs, perhaps you could tell us where yours came from. :shock:
Sorry mate, no offence but your "assumption" re-vertebral markings is incorrect. You shouldn't extrapolate from unrelated examples.

 

[CarpetPythons.com.au]

New guinea of course, where all aussie greens originate from.

 

[solar 17]

Gtp's

Cordylus...now l am curious you said prior that people should be able to show paper work trails [names, documentation etc.] could you show the forum [aps] the proof that [all] native gtp's originated in PNG l for one would be very interested in seeing this proof of your statement , personally l believe [jonno from erd] got lt right on post number [28] of this thread and l dare say anyone prepared to pay the extra [for natives] would surely satisfy their own curiosty about the authenticity before handing over their hard earned.....have a lovely day troops ...solar 17 [baden]

 

[CodeRed]

Another amusing GTP thread
This sort of bitchy behavior is a great way to turn people off buying greens.

 

[Colin]

Congratulations on your GTP's Matt. awesome stuff

 

[craftsman]

New guinea of course, where all aussie greens originate from.

That's veird statement - ausie GTPs originated from Cape York, non-native GTPs originated from PNG and Indonesia - correct?
So, the ones you have got, where did they or their parents or grandparents came from? Did they swim over from PNG and someone found them on Cooktown beach?
There is only one way they could have come into this country and into someone's private collection ....
So what is the difference between those snakes being legalised through the amnesty or those natives legalised by the same process? I trust that your snakes are registered as australian natives - or do you have them registered as exotics?
You have been shooting yourself in the foot in every post here - show us the trail of paperwork that you are demanding from native GTPs owners.

 

[URS]

Congratulations on your GTP's Matt. awesome stuff

Yes well done Matt you have put a lot of work into your GTP's and you definitely deserve the end results with the hatchling you have.
Good Job

Regards Tim

 

[Retic]

I think it may have been in reference to Aussie Greens arriving here from New Guinea across the land bridge 8000 or so years ago.

 

[CarpetPythons.com.au]

Of course. Why would I want anything Australian if it always ends up with dribble like this. Now quickly run and tell the authorities that there are new guinea animals in Australian collections. They are just plain boring and over rated in comparison to the other exotics in my collection.

 

[funcouple]

correct me if im wrong please. but wasnt there dna testing done on so called australian native gtp and the new guinea gtp and the same dna traces were found in both? so dose this mean that the new guinea species swam here or australia and new guinea were connected many years ago? i dont belive anyone can honestly say what is a pure australian native gtp. i think most honestly believe that what they own is an australian native.

 

[Southside Morelia]

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