Continuation: Exporting Reptiles From Australia

[Snakeluvver2]

They review species of risk every 6 months, there has been another doz fish added to the noxious list, however at $350 Millioin a year in trade (aquarium fish), that wont happen. Plus the jobs that would be lost which would snow ball that amount of money.

Really 350 Million dollars? I didn't think it would be that much. Is that just exoitic fish? Or the Fish trade in general?

 

[gillsy]

"Keeping aquarium or “ornamental” fish as pets in aquaria or garden ponds is becoming an increasingly popular pastime in NSW. Many hundreds of fish species, both native and exotic, are sold for this purpose by aquarium suppliers and it has been estimated that this industry is worth $350 million annually in Australia."

http://www.dpi.nsw.gov.au/fisheries/pests-diseases/freshwater-pests/ornamental-fish

 

[Waterrat]

Apart from the cane toad of course

.... cane toad .... a reptile? Escaped?

 

[Red-Ink]

There has to be a way to have reptiles legally exported from Australia because I know of a person here in the United States that has had reptiles exported from Australia and then imported into the United States within the last several years. I've seen pictures and video footage of at least one of his Inland Taipans, Coastal Taipans, and Tiger Snakes if he has more than what was featured in pictures and videos.

Why don't the Australian reptile keepers/breeders come together to make a change in the legislation governing the exportation of Australian reptiles? All they would need to do is get together as a group and meet with the Australian Government Department of Environment, Water, Heritage and the Arts and explain to them that there would be a tremendous profit to be earned by exporting captive bred and born reptiles all over the world. The United States would jump all over that opportunity and probably spend thousands if not millions of dollars on Australian reptiles. Reptile breeders could make a full time living by setting up reptile breeding and exporting facilities that specialize in a few different species of their specialization and over time there would be a large number of captive breeding operations that all bred different things all over Australia. That would make it fair to everybody with no monopoly since every one is breeding different species of their choice. Get together a portfolioto to present to the Department of Environment, Water, Heritage and the Arts and really come up with good reasons as to why it would be beneficial and positive to do this.
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LOL mate your living in a dream world... positive for who, positive for our native wildlife or positive for the American pet trade????

 

[REPTILIAN-KMAN]

Why would we want to export them to the US !!!

just about any Australian speices is available there already for sale !

the US and Europe have massive amounts of Australian Reptiles why would i want anymore headed your way !

when i hear friends in Germany talk about how many Ant childreni they have or a friend in England that they have coastals i like that can keep reptiles but feel disgusted about how that reptile or that reptiles ancestor was illegally brought into that country !

at the florida international reptile expo Australia green ( tree) pythons sell for less than they sell here ( $750.00 in the US seen for )

 

[gillsy]

Why would we want to export them to the US !!!

just about any Australian speices is available there already for sale !

the US and Europe have massive amounts of Australian Reptiles why would i want anymore headed your way !

when i hear friends in Germany talk about how many Ant childreni they have or a friend in England that they have coastals i like that can keep reptiles but feel disgusted about how that reptile or that reptiles ancestor was illegally brought into that country !

at the florida international reptile expo Australia green ( tree) pythons sell for less than they sell here ( $750.00 in the US seen for )

Yeah but like a few years ago, we had with certain aquarium fish, they need new blood and they don't have pure strains anymore.

Are they real Aus GTS, or are they eastern NG speices that share the same lines as Aussie ones as they just mark it as such.

 

[Sock Puppet]

.... cane toad .... a reptile? Escaped?

OK, a release (escaped or planned) of exotic herpetofauna. Splitting hairs, but how's that?

 

[Waterrat]

Are they real Aus GTS, or are they eastern NG speices that share the same lines as Aussie ones as they just mark it as such.

I asked Rico Walder that question and apparently, there aren't any pure aussie greens there or at least he didn't know of any.

 

[gillsy]

Oh cool, I thought the most recent study, indicated that the eastern pops where the same line as the Australia pops. But either way it's easy enough to get things out, I went to the US recently and they have no outbound customs.

It was like getting on a domestic flight here, just walk straight up to the gate.

 

[D3pro]

With that line of thought you shouldn't be able to keep any Australian reptile out of its locality perimeter.

 

[gillsy]

Fair call but why add another layer to the mix, by bringing exotics you have the added risk of bringing in diseases we don't have. Which will happen.

 

[baggins]

i think it would be the other way around - australians would be buying up all the bitchin' exotic reptiles from around the world. check out this awesome example of a leopard gecko...

or perhaps a sulcata tortoise?

australia is behind the times. i mean come on people, you import all varieties of exotic humans by the boat load, of which many do not assimilate and go on to become an environmental pain in the ahrse, yet you're all scared of bringing in exotic reptiles for the pet trade?? LOL.

 

[maxPOWERS]

we wouldnt make that much money as u only need one successfully mating pair to breed. then why would they have to buy them from australia.
also non native animals are a no no in any country, they may pose a threat to native animals.
look at the burmese pythons for example in the everglades( dont burn me if i have gotten that wrong).

 

[Dannyboi]

You got it right but the situation is no longer as bad there are some people saying that the burms are dying. I swear this kind of post has been done to death. Australia may be 'behind the times' but because of that we have no where near as many ecological issues.

 

[Elapidae1]

In comparrison to?

 

[Dannyboi]

Hawaii. For one.

The Hawaiian islands (and surrounding waters) are home to five species of amphibians and 28 species of reptiles - and of these only five species are indigenous.

 

[Elapidae1]

For all I know they only ever had 5 indigenous species. A higher number of introduced species does not necessarily mean the ecological impact is greater.
Considering we have one of, if not the highest extinction rate in the world at the moment, I'd say we have a problem.

 

[gillsy]

I'm thinking Guam, does it have any of the endemic species left ?

 

[Dannyboi]

For all I know they only ever had 5 indigenous species. A higher number of introduced species does not necessarily mean the ecological impact is greater.

But all the introduced pest pets are killing the native bugs.

 

[longqi]

Only regarding export
there was a study done a few years ago
It showed that if galahs and cockatoos were legally exported instead of being shot the minimum profit for the
department was $35,000,000 per annum
This was more than their annual budget at that time