The dole

[Elapidae1]

So you don't have a problem with paying your taxes so some of the dole bludgers can pocket your tax money and do nothing to earn it??

Work for the Dole. Simple, they turn up somewhere to do a bit of work, volunteer, whatever. If they don't turn up for it then they don't get the dole.

They will only splurge it somewhere else, and like I said earlier, unemployment is big business, it serves a purpose in our economy.

I don't believe in work for the dole, if the work is available then it should be given to people as employment at full wages,
I believe in making it a less disposable income, EG food stamps, transport vouchers, direct debits for accomodation etc

 

[zeke]

i am on the dole i have a job but im not getting many hours now. i know heaps of people who sit on it. ive been on it for years now. i atually want to get off it but finding an employer who will give someone without alot of skills is hard they all expect you to be like 14 with 5 years exp and so fourth

 

[Defective]

i technically don't have to look for any jobs unless i have a meeting with my Employment co-ordinator once a fortnight but i do what she tells me and she says fill the sheet by next meeting that sheet is filled both sides not just one. i actually hate the new form submission system its a pain, you have to remember to go online and if i'm having a '2000 light years away day' then i'll forget if no one is home.

 

[gemrock2hot]

i technically don't have to look for any jobs unless i have a meeting with my Employment co-ordinator once a fortnight but i do what she tells me and she says fill the sheet by next meeting that sheet is filled both sides not just one. i actually hate the new form submission system its a pain, you have to remember to go online and if i'm having a '2000 light years away day' then i'll forget if no one is home.

yeh i think they have changed it to try and stop the long lines in centerlink but why not employ more ppl to make the lines shorter makes sence dont u think lol

 

[KaotikJezta]

centerlink has made it easier for the "dole bludgers" instead of having to go into centerlink and hand in you fornightly job search you do it on the net now and answer a couple of yes or no questions.... way to easy. and then once every 2months hand in a sheet with all the jobs you have looked for in the past 2 months. Its just making it easier for the bludgers they should make it so you have to go in and hand in resume's at shops and get them sign something saying u handed in a resume. Being a new mum the parent pension is very helpful but they should have more things to help new mums look for part time work if they want. I have always had a job since i was 15 and only went 3 months with out work right up till 1 month b4 i had my daughter and i miss being able to work. I dont think there is much anyone is able to do about young teenage pregnancy's maybe lower the baby bonus from 5 grand to maybe 1 grand for girls under the age of 18 and only in small payments or some kind of discount for formula and baby clothes

So it's ok for women who's husbands earn $100000 to get the baby bonus, but not young girls who made a mistake, their children don't deserve any sort of start in life, is that what your saying. And as far as the dole being easier, I don't know what it is like where you live but here you have to go for interviews with a job network case worker every fortnight, miss one appointment and your suspended. As far as drug testing goes, unfortunately most drug users are on disability pension and don't have to look for work, they just have to check in with a social worker every couple of weeks.

 

[Defective]

they have plenty of employees they just cant be bothered utilising them, therefore making lines and waiting times ridonkulous

So it's ok for women who's husbands earn $100000 to get the baby bonus, but not young girls who made a mistake, their children don't deserve any sort of start in life, is that what your saying. And as far as the dole being easier, I don't know what it is like where you live but here you have to go for interviews with a job network case worker every fortnight, miss one appointment and your suspended. As far as drug testing goes, unfortunately most drug users are on disability pension and don't have to look for work, they just have to check in with a social worker every couple of weeks.

i hear yah hun!! it's an inconvieniance i've learnt to live with!

 

[gemrock2hot]

So it's ok for women who's husbands earn $100000 to get the baby bonus, but not young girls who made a mistake, their children don't deserve any sort of start in life, is that what your saying. And as far as the dole being easier, I don't know what it is like where you live but here you have to go for interviews with a job network case worker every fortnight, miss one appointment and your suspended. As far as drug testing goes, unfortunately most drug users are on disability pension and don't have to look for work, they just have to check in with a social worker every couple of weeks.

dont they have an income limit on it? And im just making suggestions on how the system can improve not saying that kids dont deserve a good start to life. How can it be a mistake when most (not all) young girls know the consequence of having unprotected sex? ok there are the exceptions like having protected sex and still gettin pregnant. Most of the young girl i see or know just spend the money on stupid stuff or drugs and none actually goes towards the baby. i think its good that if you dont turn up to your appointments then your pay gets suspended makes lazy people get off their ***

 

[giglamesh]

i am on the dole i have a job but im not getting many hours now. i know heaps of people who sit on it. ive been on it for years now. i atually want to get off it but finding an employer who will give someone without alot of skills is hard they all expect you to be like 14 with 5 years exp and so fourth

isnt that illegal? pretty sure people have gone to prison for it.

 

[JAS101]

isnt that illegal? pretty sure people have gone to prison for it.

nope , if its under a certain number of hours per week , u can still get newstart and do part time work .

 

[KaotikJezta]

dont they have an income limit on it? And im just making suggestions on how the system can improve not saying that kids dont deserve a good start to life. How can it be a mistake when most (not all) young girls know the consequence of having unprotected sex? ok there are the exceptions like having protected sex and still gettin pregnant. Most of the young girl i see or know just spend the money on stupid stuff or drugs and none actually goes towards the baby. i think its good that if you dont turn up to your appointments then your pay gets suspended makes lazy people get off their ***

The only just recently put a limit on it, when labour got in. Howard introduced the baby bonus to entice middle class career woman to have babies as there is a huge gap between old people and young people leaving the area of able bodied workers short. Too many women wanted a career first so Howard brought it in and it worked. The labour government then got hassled about 'middle class welfare' and put a limit on it but the limit is something ridiculous like $125000. As for young girls blowing the baby bonus, my oldest son was a teenage parent, before the baby bonus existed and they did it very hard for a while, couldn't get work, too young, couldn't get accommodation, too young. It is not as easy as some people think being a teenage parent and you lose your childhood. They maybe should have known better but it was the first time for both of them and they were unlucky. She had actually asked her mother if she could get birth control and her mother refused thinking that would stop her.

 

[spilota_variegata]

And when you give the baby bonus to the middle and upper class, they generally give birth to potentially productive offspring. Perpetual dole bludgers usually give birth to the next generation of dole recipients.

Let me just step into the other room to put on my flame suit

The only just recently put a limit on it, when labour got in. Howard introduced the baby bonus to entice middle class career woman to have babies as there is a huge gap between old people and young people leaving the area of able bodied workers short. Too many women wanted a career first so Howard brought it in and it worked. The labour government then got hassled about 'middle class welfare' and put a limit on it but the limit is something ridiculous like $125000. As for young girls blowing the baby bonus, my oldest son was a teenage parent, before the baby bonus existed and they did it very hard for a while, couldn't get work, too young, couldn't get accommodation, too young. It is not as easy as some people think being a teenage parent and you lose your childhood. They maybe should have known better but it was the first time for both of them and they were unlucky. She had actually asked her mother if she could get birth control and her mother refused thinking that would stop her.

 

[gemrock2hot]

The only just recently put a limit on it, when labour got in. Howard introduced the baby bonus to entice middle class career woman to have babies as there is a huge gap between old people and young people leaving the area of able bodied workers short. Too many women wanted a career first so Howard brought it in and it worked. The labour government then got hassled about 'middle class welfare' and put a limit on it but the limit is something ridiculous like $125000. As for young girls blowing the baby bonus, my oldest son was a teenage parent, before the baby bonus existed and they did it very hard for a while, couldn't get work, too young, couldn't get accommodation, too young. It is not as easy as some people think being a teenage parent and you lose your childhood. They maybe should have known better but it was the first time for both of them and they were unlucky. She had actually asked her mother if she could get birth control and her mother refused thinking that would stop her.

ahhh ok fair enough i guess its the inconsiderate ones that spoil it for even one else i guess in general centerlink needs to review a few things and make it harder for bludgers and easier for the ones that actually need it

 

[Bez84]

isnt that illegal? pretty sure people have gone to prison for it.

I did some labouring work made about $2000 in a fortnight claimed it with centrelink and they still payed me $100.

 

[KaotikJezta]

And when you give the baby bonus to the middle and upper class, they generally give birth to potentially productive offspring. Perpetual dole bludgers usually give birth to the next generation of dole recipients.

Let me just step into the other room to put on my flame suit

So it is ok to bring a child into the world so you can claim money you don't actually need, that is a great value system to hand down to your children and I it may make them more productive but I'd rather have a nice hearted dole bludger for a kid than a mean spirited, greedy workaholic. Don't even get me started on the ongoing use of stereotypes being thrown around by some ignorant people.

 

[Jackrabbit]

I think you should only get the dole for half the amount of time you have been working and paying taxes.

I think in the US it is limited by time. I think it should be cut off after a time unless a genuine attempt to work and hold a job is made.

I know there ate other consequences if people loss the dole but maybe they might think about staying on it long term.

Perhaps we could offer a location swap. Long term dole bludgers who don't want to work can swap with asylum seekers from the middle east. that way they won't have to work because there aren't any jobs and living is cheap.

 

[Bez84]

I think you should only get the dole for half the amount of time you have been working and paying taxes.

I think in the US it is limited by time. I think it should be cut off after a time unless a genuine attempt to work and hold a job is made.

I know there ate other consequences if people loss the dole but maybe they might think about staying on it long term.

Perhaps we could offer a location swap. Long term dole bludgers who don't want to work can swap with asylum seekers from the middle east. that way they won't have to work because there aren't any jobs and living is cheap.

Sweet so that would mean i can be on the dole for 4 years seeing how ive been working full time for at least 8 years and have never been on the dole and have always earned my money and been proud of it.
And has only been the last few months that ive been forced to go on the "dole" due to owner of a company i worked for for many years desideing he want to travel australia in a van and so closed up shop.
The system really is a joke, ive found it hard to find "full time " work in this town as everyone wants to hire teens cause there cheaper.
The people at centrelink dont give a crap about helping u find work, to them your just another number and they themselves do not want to work.
I go in there to hand in paper work and they stare at you and say couldnt u do this online...sorry for giving them something to do.
And the jobfind agencys are worse they have streams 1 2 etc you start off and they wont bumb u up into a stream where they can actually pull there finger out and give u some real assistance until something changes eg. you become homeless or go bloody crazy with depression etc.
Until youve had to live under the pressure of constant job knock backs and struggling just to bloody eat and keep a roof over your head then you cant really bitch about people on the dole....some of us would give anything to find "stable" work and get out of the rut...

 

[KaotikJezta]

Sweet so that would mean i can be on the dole for 4 years seeing how ive been working full time for at least 8 years and have never been on the dole and have always earned my money and been proud of it.
And has only been the last few months that ive been forced to go on the "dole" due to owner of a company i worked for for many years desideing he want to travel australia in a van and so closed up shop.
The system really is a joke, ive found it hard to find "full time " work in this town as everyone wants to hire teens cause there cheaper.
The people at centrelink dont give a crap about helping u find work, to them your just another number and they themselves do not want to work.
I go in there to hand in paper work and they stare at you and say couldnt u do this online...sorry for giving them something to do.
And the jobfind agencys are worse they have streams 1 2 etc you start off and they wont bumb u up into a stream where they can actually pull there finger out and give u some real assistance until something changes eg. you become homeless or go bloody crazy with depression etc.
Until youve had to live under the pressure of constant job knock backs and struggling just to bloody eat and keep a roof over your head then you cant really bitch about people on the dole....some of us would give anything to find "stable" work and get out of the rut...

The other thing is, job seeker companies are private. The longer they can keep you as a client the more they get paid, they get a bonus if they get you a job but if they don't they get paid for every interview, every course they run etc. They make way more profit keeping people out of work than getting people into it.

 

[spilota_variegata]

So it is ok to bring a child into the world so you can claim money you don't actually need, that is a great value system to hand down to your children and I it may make them more productive but I'd rather have a nice hearted dole bludger for a kid than a mean spirited, greedy workaholic. Don't even get me started on the ongoing use of stereotypes being thrown around by some ignorant people.

Is income really a measure of how much you need a government handout?

Nearly all of the kids I know that come from middle class families are little angels with loving and caring personalities. Most of the kids I see who have parents who are on the dole are obnoxious little mongrels, a consequence of their upbringing. Sure some are nice but the vast majority are less than angelic. I don't blame them; you have to consider their role models. If they are brought up thinking that the government owes them, then they'll never break away from their dole bludger mentality.

As to stereotyping and ignorance, sure I am probably ignorant but the stereotyping is a result of the actions of the small minority of bludgers receiving social security payments. I'd definitely prefer to be stereotyped as a workaholic than a dole bludger.

No offense meant to you or anyone in particular.

 

[Bez84]

The other thing is, job seeker companies are private. The longer they can keep you as a client the more they get paid, they get a bonus if they get you a job but if they don't they get paid for every interview, every course they run etc. They make way more profit keeping people out of work than getting people into it.

Yeah thats true and some are worse then others, i recently did a "intro to trades" course mainly dealing in construction where i basically built a heap of internal walls for nova skill and i say i built i mean i built by the end i was the only person left in the group all the other drop kicks didnt bother to show up.
I didnt really learn any new skills cause i pretty much knew my way around power tools etc as u do if u have a shed and workshop.
At the end of the course i was supposed to get a certificate and they were meant to work hard to promote me to local people looking for hard working blokes.
I never got the certificate nor did i ever hear from them again with job offers.
I rang them up and they said due to me not completeing a tiny page of pointless theory work i wouldnt get it and this is after i built there walls and the tradesman who was teaching us told the bloke running novaskill that if i wasnt there the job would never have been done.....so in the end i just felt used and tossed out....when the whole point was to boost my spirit.

 

[KaotikJezta]

Is income really a measure of how much you need a government handout?

Nearly all of the kids I know that come from middle class families are little angels with loving and caring personalities. Most of the kids I see who have parents who are on the dole are obnoxious little mongrels, a consequence of their upbringing. Sure some are nice but the vast majority are less than angelic. I don't blame them; you have to consider their role models. If they are brought up thinking that the government owes them, then they'll never break away from their dole bludger mentality.

As to stereotyping and ignorance, sure I am probably ignorant but the stereotyping is a result of the actions of the small minority of bludgers receiving social security payments. I'd definitely prefer to be stereotyped as a workaholic than a dole bludger.

No offense meant to you or anyone in particular.

Yes, angelic in front of their parents and other adults maybe. The majority of them want for nothing and don't mind rubbing that in the faces of less well off kids. Plus, do you think if kids grow up seeing they're parents struggling to put food on the table from one week to the next they are going to grow up and want that for they're own families. Maybe in some cases like breeds like but it very often has the opposite effect.

Yeah thats true and some are worse then others, i recently did a "intro to trades" course mainly dealing in construction where i basically built a heap of internal walls for nova skill and i say i built i mean i built by the end i was the only person left in the group all the other drop kicks didnt bother to show up.
I didnt really learn any new skills cause i pretty much knew my way around power tools etc as u do if u have a shed and workshop.
At the end of the course i was supposed to get a certificate and they were meant to work hard to promote me to local people looking for hard working blokes.
I never got the certificate nor did i ever hear from them again with job offers.
I rang them up and they said due to me not completeing a tiny page of pointless theory work i wouldnt get it and this is after i built there walls and the tradesman who was teaching us told the bloke running novaskill that if i wasnt there the job would never have been done.....so in the end i just felt used and tossed out....when the whole point was to boost my spirit.

I know it is pathetic, I had a friend that wanted to do a horticulture course and the job network insisted he do their stupid looking for work course first, they ran it so they got paid for it. By the time he finished the horticulture course had finished and the government cut funding to run more so he missed out completely on a possible option for a career he was interested in.