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hey i pay tax! i dunno about other states but in SA no tax is taken out of your payments, i chose to have it taken out as a means of saving knowing i have HELP fees of up to $15,000 to pay for, half of everything car related like big services and the rego which is like nearly $700 for a year so and my employment network have said the types of jobs i can apply for because of the various medical conditions i have.
Yes you pay tax but come end of financial year you will get all that back. My mrs has epilepsy and has had many jobs. Apply for jobs and be honest at interviews and you would be surprised at how often people will get a job when they might not be the best applicant but are honest and upfront
 
thats the thing, i've got to get the interview first, my applications just get rejected
 
I know that feeling but at least you seem to be trying to find work. The people everyone dislikes are those that don't even bother.
 
That's what you would think, but they don't really work for it...
I dunno about all places, but my partner was on the dole for a bit. He broke his ankle, and when it was fixed, he had problems getting work.
He hates sitting around doing nothing. Always has to be doing something.
When he did the work for the dole progamm, they were building a retianing wall and pulling out weeds and the instructor told him to slow down with the work, or they (I'm assuming he meant his bigger bosses) would expect that much done all the time, and he'd make the others look bad

I also believe that there should be something more to help the mothers get back in to work.
I receieve parenting payments, but barely enough to live on, and I want to go back to work.
However, everyone tells me I'm underqualified or overqualified (they want people who they can pretty much leave to run the place, or school kids that they can pay next to nothing)
I want to get my diploma (which I can't afford), So I spoke to Centrelink.
To get it, I'd have to go on newstart, cutting my payments almost in half, but they would cover the course.(dunno how we are supposed to survive, but at least I'd be qualified),
I don't get why they can't help the parents who want to go back to work too, to get off the payments
If you do a diploma fulltime you can stay on parenting payment and you get the Pensioner Education Supplement, even if you do it part time you get PES and get to stay o parenting payment, I would talk to someone else as you are not being given the right information.
 
ohh geez, and what about people like myself who will never be in their dream job because of a stupid disability. FFS i can't even be in the passengers seat of a *****ing ambulance as a non-urgent patient transfer officer because i'll never drive. it's gits like you wranga that piss me off no end because of your lack of understanding as to why most people are on centrelink payments and your ability to be judge and jury all at once and label us.

it's not a matter of just taking any job, have a look in the paper and actually read what the job advertisments say or on line i'll give you an idea
SEEK - Sales Person - Full Time Position Job in Adelaide

i have been job hunting for 6yrs and had a cleaning job but in those jobs you can't get sick because you risk losing your job like i did (had my appendix out)
so until you get a grasp on peoples situations and understand why they're on payments, shut ya pie hole and go afk unless its contructive because people like me are sick of being put in the 'lazy twats' group when there's clearly a reason we can't get jobs!

only standing up for those with a disablitiy and that wanna work! Gods sakes!

it gits like you Lambert that P me off. where have i said anything in this thread about anyone that is recieving a disability pension? people need to read all that is written and not have abit of a read and then have a spit about something they think has been said. read all of my comments before having ago at me. this thread is about the dole or as i think its now called newstart, its not about disability pensions or those that recieve them. take a chill pill
 
thats the thing, i did read it ALL and not everyone can just take any job, no you didn't refer to the disability pension but neither did i you said people without jobs need to take what they can get but theres circumstances where people can't take what they can get. and you totally contradict yourself by saying your more employable if you have a job then if you don't have one. how can you be employable without a job.
 
Oh my god you have to show up once a fortnight:shock: That must be so hard I really feel for you, I guess all of us working full time don't realise how easy we have it having to show up at least five days a week:rolleyes::lol::lol:

Ben
I wasn't saying that, I was just saying the form thing may be online but you need to attend an interview instead.
 
thats the thing, i did read it ALL and not everyone can just take any job, no you didn't refer to the disability pension but neither did i you said people without jobs need to take what they can get but theres circumstances where people can't take what they can get. and you totally contradict yourself by saying your more employable if you have a job then if you don't have one. how can you be employable without a job.

oh dear
 
Nice socialist attitude - distribute the wealth from the rich to the poor and make everyone equal. The rich are usually rich because they choose to get an education and reap the benefits. There are the other rich people that work hard, sacrifice and save to be wealthy. I have the greatest respect for the latter and do not think that they should pay more than the already do to pay those who choose not to work. They already contribute far more towards society than their dole receiving counterparts.
Are you serious, the Rupert Murdochs and Kerry Packers of the world contribute to society. They had to work for their money, I thought they were born into it. They shouldn't have to pay tax because they are educated?? Am I missing something here?
 
Wranga it's a lost cause yet another thread that shoulda been closed before the 2nd page
 
i struggle to pay two homes off, put up with some scum ripping me off. maybe if i didnt have to pay as much tax i wouldnt have to struggle as much
Oh my god you poor thing, and why do you even need two homes. Most young people these days (working) are going to be priced completely out of the home ownership market because of greedy landlords and property investors pushing the median house price up constantly and youer crying about having to pay off two homes. Who is greedy here, not the people on $440 a fortnight from where I'm sitting.
 
Oh my god you poor thing, and why do you even need two homes. Most young people these days (working) are going to be priced completely out of the home ownership market because of greedy landlords and property investors pushing the median house price up constantly and youer crying about having to pay off two homes. Who is greedy here, not the people on $440 a fortnight from where I'm sitting.
Nothing greedy from where I sit, yes I rent and don't own a house. When retirement comes, assets and super plays a big part, with the sale of a house to help fund retirement, will keep people off old age pensions. Not to mention the GCT on the sale of a property.

It's funny how the poor cry poor without doing anything about it. If you aren't earning enough 9 times out of 10 look in the mirror. I entered the workforce on $183 week in 1997 less than the dole withrent assistance. I did wat eva I could to get to where I am today, I had the hardship of being in the 1996 mt druitt high year that failed miserably at the hsc, which hampered getting employed
 
Geez the hypocrisy in this thread is through the roof. I don't agree that anyone should be able to be on the dole. If you have a disability etc then fine but to all the people who don't get some work there are plenty of jobs out there.
To lambert I think you need to re read wranga comments I thought it was quite clear he was speaking about able bodied individuals. Also where you say he is contradicting himself he is saying take any job available so when your said dream job comes you are more likely to be employed. Please realize I am be no means having a go at you or siding with him merely trying to bridge to understanding gap here.
Also to whoever it was that said the wealthier should have to pay more you must be kidding. It is absolutely ludicrous that they have to pay 48.5% of their pay to tax. How is that fair? Tax should be a base % of your pay regardless of your income. You can't tax people more for trying harder/ working more/ investing smarter it is a double standard. Also you can't use the likes of Kerry Packer to sum up the whole of the upper class, people like him a a vast minority of the upper class. I would be willing to bet a higher percentage of upper class work for their money then percentage of people on the dole actually try to find work. If you are going to complain about stereotyping don't do it yourself makes for looking like an uneducated idiot.
 
Oh my god you poor thing, and why do you even need two homes. Most young people these days (working) are going to be priced completely out of the home ownership market because of greedy landlords and property investors pushing the median house price up constantly and youer crying about having to pay off two homes. Who is greedy here, not the people on $440 a fortnight from where I'm sitting.

please dont feel sorry for me. its my choise to struggle paying off a home that my ex lives in as well as the home i live in. im not a greedy landlord as yet. but i hope tobe soon. lucky for those greedy landlords taking a risk so you have somewhere to call home
 
Nothing greedy from where I sit, yes I rent and don't own a house. When retirement comes, assets and super plays a big part, with the sale of a house to help fund retirement, will keep people off old age pensions. Not to mention the GCT on the sale of a property.

It's funny how the poor cry poor without doing anything about it. If you aren't earning enough 9 times out of 10 look in the mirror. I entered the workforce on $183 week in 1997 less than the dole withrent assistance. I did wat eva I could to get to where I am today, I had the hardship of being in the 1996 mt druitt high year that failed miserably at the hsc, which hampered getting employed
Hey you don't need to tell me about that, my ex's whole family come from there, it is a stigma that's hard to shake. All of them are now employed. Yes I do think it is greedy wanting 2 houses when there are people struggling to keep one house over their heads. By the time you retire there wont be any age pension. Saying poor people do nothing about it is a generalisation, not everyone is in a position to do something about it. I am not saying people are not entitled to make money, but don't whinge that it is welfare making you struggle to pay off two houses, maybe your spending outside your means and that is why there is a struggle. As for poor people crying poor, in my experience it is more often people who are not poor whinging about how hard done to they are. I don't have a problem with being poor, yes it is stressful sometimes when bills come around, but I'd rather be poor and happy than rich, greedy and bitter about having to work every waking moment to pay for my extravagant lifestyle.

please dont feel sorry for me. its my choise to struggle paying off a home that my ex lives in as well as the home i live in. im not a greedy landlord as yet. but i hope tobe soon. lucky for those greedy landlords taking a risk so you have somewhere to call home
Yes, I am so lucky that my landlord won't spend any money to fix anything in my house which he is waiting to become unlivable so the council will let him pull it down and build flats. I feel so secure here en the rents are flying through the roof so my landlord is working around the clock trying to figure out an excuse to evict me so he can put the rent up to way over what the house is worth. Not all landlords are greedy, admittedly, but the ones that buy house after house with no intention of actually maintaining them just so they can make more money are.
 
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I think the people on the dole in this thread are taking it way to personally. No one is having a go at you. They are speaking about people who choose to be on it so they don't have to work. Not people who have a legitimate reason to be on it.
 
Geez the hypocrisy in this thread is through the roof. I don't agree that anyone should be able to be on the dole. If you have a disability etc then fine but to all the people who don't get some work there are plenty of jobs out there.
To lambert I think you need to re read wranga comments I thought it was quite clear he was speaking about able bodied individuals. Also where you say he is contradicting himself he is saying take any job available so when your said dream job comes you are more likely to be employed. Please realize I am be no means having a go at you or siding with him merely trying to bridge to understanding gap here.
Also to whoever it was that said the wealthier should have to pay more you must be kidding. It is absolutely ludicrous that they have to pay 48.5% of their pay to tax. How is that fair? Tax should be a base % of your pay regardless of your income. You can't tax people more for trying harder/ working more/ investing smarter it is a double standard. Also you can't use the likes of Kerry Packer to sum up the whole of the upper class, people like him a a vast minority of the upper class. I would be willing to bet a higher percentage of upper class work for their money then percentage of people on the dole actually try to find work. If you are going to complain about stereotyping don't do it yourself makes for looking like an uneducated idiot.

The person said the top 5% of earners, that is the Kerry Packer bracket is it not. If the government ever actually got serious about chasing them for tax evasion it would make way more money than it spends on welfare.

I think the people on the dole in this thread are taking it way to personally. No one is having a go at you. They are speaking about people who choose to be on it so they don't have to work. Not people who have a legitimate reason to be on it.
For the record, I am not on the dole, you probably were not talking about me, but just saying.
 
Are you serious, the Rupert Murdochs and Kerry Packers of the world contribute to society. They had to work for their money, I thought they were born into it. They shouldn't have to pay tax because they are educated?? Am I missing something here?

The likes of Rupert Murdoch and Kerry Packer were indeed born into wealth but they are exceptions to the rule. They don't avoid tax, they just minimize their tax by paying people a lot of money to do so. They also generate jobs for people who also pay tax, therefore contributing to society.

I am definitely not one of the top 5% of the population, but I do live a comfortable life brought about by hard work and making the right life choices, such as deciding to get an education and work hard vice going on the dole and expecting everything for nothing. I've paid over a million dollars tax during my working life and will most likely pay well over another million before I retire. Why should a big percentage of this money go to people who are too lazy to get of their backsides and work?

Once again, I don't have nothing against people who need to go on the dole whilst looking for a job but I do get angry at those who think it's their God given right to put out their greedy hands and expect a handout for the rest of their lives.

Where has self respect gone?
 
The person said the top 5% of earners, that is the Kerry Packer bracket is it not. If the government ever actually got serious about chasing them for tax evasion it would make way more money than it spends on welfare.


For the record, I am not on the dole, you probably were not talking about me, but just saying.
You're right I wasn't speaking about you. I realize he is in the top 5% but surely you must realize that the top 5% aren't filled with Kerry Packers. Most of them worked hard to get where they are it isn't fair to lump them all together.
 
On reflection, I think we are all playing into the hands of the OP who obviously knew the dissent such a topic would cause and has made themselves conspicuously absent while the rest of us bicker between ourselves, some one should come along and close the thread. I for one did not join this forum to make enemies with people over such a highly sensitive topic.
 
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