Another croc caught

[mmafan555]

Wasn't so long ago (in living memory) that there were saltys 9 - 10m long up north.

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Maybe I ( and others) would take you more seriously if you actullay had even the slightest clue/knowledge on what you are talking about. Their is no such thing as a 9-10m salty...Not now and not in the past.

From Aussie croc expert Adam Britton

"The saltwater crocodile is the largest living crocodilian species based on confirmed measurements. It is also the world's largest living reptile in terms of mass. Adult males can reach sizes of up to 6 meters (20 feet) with possible reports of exceptionally rare individuals of nearly 7 metres (23 feet). However, the largest confirmed individual was measured as 20.7 feet (6.3 metres) taking into account partial tail loss. There is always a lot of interest over the largest ever recorded saltie. In general, males over 5 m (17 feet) in length are extremely rare. Females are smaller, the normal maximum adult size being 2.5 m to 3 m (8 to 10 feet). Maximum weight varies, but large salties have been known to exceed 1,000 kg as 18 to 19 foot adults. 5 metre adults are closer to 400 to 500 kg."
Crocodilian Species - Australian Saltwater Crocodile (Crocodylus porosus)

, keep in mind a salty wont just hunt in the water, but will also hunt on land and you can not outrun a salty who has decided you're going to be it's next meal and who is hot persuit.

No...you can easily outrun a large heavy crocodile on open land. Your danger zone for a large crocodile is shallow-deep water and if you are on the immediate waters edge...anywhere else you are fine. And if you are on the immediate waters edge and are attacked and the croc misses you should be able to easily get away and in 90 percent of instances the croc won't even try to go after you on land.

The biggest danger zone is being ambushed on the waters edge or shallow water.

 

[waruikazi]

If the white man never invaded Australia, I'm sure all the people that live up there would be contending with crocs, probably in greater numbers than they do now, correct? So why bother kulling the crocodiles?

If these people that are getting taken are stupid enough to get taken, then so be it. They should learn to live with them.

I'll ask you the same question that i asked inspiration.

What would you do if you found a tai in your house? Would you leave it there and learn to live with it or would you remove it?

Maybe I ( and others) would take you more seriously if you actullay had even the slightest clue what you are talking about. Their is no such thing as a 9-10m salty...Not now and not in the past.

From Aussie croc expert Adam Britton

"The saltwater crocodile is the largest living crocodilian species based on confirmed measurements. It is also the world's largest living reptile in terms of mass. Adult males can reach sizes of up to 6 meters (20 feet) with possible reports of exceptionally rare individuals of nearly 7 metres (23 feet). However, the largest confirmed individual was measured as 20.7 feet (6.3 metres) taking into account partial tail loss. There is always a lot of interest over the largest ever recorded saltie. In general, males over 5 m (17 feet) in length are extremely rare. Females are smaller, the normal maximum adult size being 2.5 m to 3 m (8 to 10 feet). Maximum weight varies, but large salties have been known to exceed 1,000 kg as 18 to 19 foot adults. 5 metre adults are closer to 400 to 500 kg."
Crocodilian Species - Australian Saltwater Crocodile (Crocodylus porosus)



No...you can easily outrun a large crocodile on open land. Your danger zone for a large crocodile is shallow-deep water and if you are on the immediate waters edge...anywhere else you are fine. And if you are on the immediate waters edge and are attacked and the croc misses you should be able to easily get away and in 90 percent of instances the croc won't even try to go after you on land.

The biggest danger zone is being ambushed on the waters edge or shallow water.

Maybe if you knew what you were talking about we would take you a bit more seriously. Crocs don't get to 10m but they do hunt on land, there have been Australian's taken a long way from the waters edge and i have found large crocodiles hundreds of meters from any water source.

Over 5-10 meters maybe even 20 you could not outrun a large salty, not even Kathy Freeman could.

 

[kawasakirider]

Kawasaki
A lot of the time it is not stupidity
fair enough if a Tourist gets munched after swimming in a hole with warning signs
But too many other incidents are happening and seem to be increasing

I lived in Cairns and surrounds for years and know the whole cape pretty well
The Daintree has a few crocs
If you are lucky you can see one

In the East Aligator they are simply everywhere and are showing no fear at all
Even big ones just lie on the banks and watch you floating past
The mouth of the river on a run out tide is frightening to watch
That is vastly different to the Daintree where you can dive in to retrieve a favourite lure some of the time
[that may be really dumb but it was my last gold bomber]

I guess I mean recklessness more so than stupidity. If I lived up there, I wouldn't be anywhere near the waters edge and if I was in a boat it would be a lot bigger than a 4 m tinny.

You avoid being mare lunch by staying out of the water. I'd mug rather kiss a lure goodbye then dive in and get it. I'd also rather drag my fish up the beach as I was reeling it in then stand on the edge to retrieve it.

Just me.

 

[waruikazi]

I guess I mean recklessness more so than stupidity. If I lived up there, I wouldn't be anywhere near the waters edge and if I was in a boat it would be a lot bigger than a 4 m tinny.

You avoid being mare lunch by staying out of the water. I'd mug rather kiss a lure goodbye then dive in and get it. I'd also rather drag my fish up the beach as I was reeling it in then stand on the edge to retrieve it.

Just me.

What do you do when the water is lapping 10m from your backdoor and there is a 3.5m croc hanging around that has already eaten your dog?

Don't get me wrong, i stay out of the water or if i have to enter the water i take a gun. But the animals that are not showing fear of people and are posing a significant risk need to be removed.

 

[kawasakirider]

I'll ask you the same question that i asked inspiration.

What would you do if you found a tai in your house? Would you leave it there and learn to live with it or would you

Because I had dogs I'd remove it. But it would be a removal, not a kill. Where I am now I don't have anyone to worry about except myself and my gf. I'd stress that caution is needed when going outside. I understand that if you remove it, they come back (Whig I found very interesting if it's over a large distance) but what I said was if we never invaded Australia, the locals wouldn't have the means to cull or remove the crocs and they'd have to find ways of being safer.

10 meters is 33ft... I highly doubt a croc would get that large. That's the distance that people started to learn back***** on full size moto's.........

 

[waruikazi]

Because I had dogs I'd remove it. But it would be a removal, not a kill. Where I am now I don't have anyone to worry about except myself and my gf. I'd stress that caution is needed when going outside. I understand that if you remove it, they come back (Whig I found very interesting if it's over a large distance) but what I said was if we never invaded Australia, the locals wouldn't have the means to cull or remove the crocs and they'd have to find ways of being safer.

10 meters is 33ft... I highly doubt a croc would get that large. That's the distance that people started to learn back***** on full size moto's.........

That is my exact point. You would have the animal removed, the snake is posing a risk to you, your pets and loved ones that is too great to ignore. A snake can be relocated, a large croc can't.

But we did 'invade' Australia and there are ways to control croc threats.

 

[kawasakirider]

What do you do when the water is lapping 10m from your backdoor and there is a 3.5m croc hanging around that has already eaten your dog?

Don't get me wrong, i stay out of the water or if i have to enter the water i take a gun. But the animals that are not showing fear of people and are posing a significant risk need to be removed.

Obviously you're in a flood prone area. I'd build a house high enough off the ground for a start. I'd also keep the pooch inside if it was flooding and the area immediately around the house fenced, so a croc wouldn't get in there unless it could float over. That way the pooch would be safe. I guess if the croc was bailing you up for days in your home you'd have to shoot it, but in normal circumstances I can't see a croc stalking the occupants of a house for days. I know it happens if their prey is in a tree.

 

[mmafan555]

I'll ask you the same question that i asked inspiration.

Maybe if you knew what you were talking about we would take you a bit more seriously. Crocs don't get to 10m but they do hunt on land, there have been Australian's taken a long way from the waters edge and i have found large crocodiles hundreds of meters from any water source.

But that is not what he said silly! He said you can not escape a croc on land that is attacking you. That is false. Crocs are slow and tire easily on land( big crocs that is) and can not chase down humans in some cartoonish way and kill them on open land.

Did I say that crocs don't hunt on land?? No I didn't... However I would think that it would be uncommon for them to do so as their bite and method of killing prey is dependent on the water. They bite hold and use their immense strength to drown their prey. Hunting on land would be pretty hard, through they can and do do it on occasion as do gators. Either way neither can chase a human down and catch a human on land.( for a big croc) A smaller croc can probably outrun a human for short distances but it would be tall small to kill a human.

Ambushing a person at the waters edge is a different story. I am not talking about a surprise attack.

Over 5-10 meters maybe even 20 you could not outrun a large salty, not even Kathy Freeman could.

What about Floyd Mayweather.. Even a small croc would not catch him!

 

[waruikazi]

Obviously you're in a flood prone area. I'd build a house high enough off the ground for a start. I'd also keep the pooch inside if it was flooding and the area immediately around the house fenced, so a croc wouldn't get in there unless it could float over. That way the pooch would be safe. I guess if the croc was bailing you up for days in your home you'd have to shoot it, but in normal circumstances I can't see a croc stalking the occupants of a house for days. I know it happens if their prey is in a tree.

If those things were an option that would great.

You can pretty safely assume that a croc hanging around your house is 'bailing' you up.

 

[kawasakirider]

That is my exact point. You would have the animal removed, the snake is posing a risk to you, your pets and loved ones that is too great to ignore. A snake can be relocated, a large croc can't.

But we did 'invade' Australia and there are ways to control croc threats.

Ok I accept that, but I guarantee if someone from a remote area (who couldn't get a snake relocater) with a tai in their backyard that had killed their pet dog joined up here saying they killed it, there would be an uproar.

 

[waruikazi]

But that is not what he said silly! He said you can not escape a croc on land that is attacking you. That is false. Crocs are slow and tire easily on land( big crocs that is) and can not chase down humans in some cartoonish way and kill them on open land.

Did I say that crocs don't hunt on land?? No I didn't... However I would think that it would be uncommon for them to do so as their bite and method of killing prey is dependent on the water. They bite hold and use their immense strength to drown their prey. Hunting on land would be pretty hard, through they can and do do it on occasion as do gators. Either way neither can chase a human down and catch a human on land.( for a big croc) A smaller croc can probably outrun a human for short distances but it would be tall small to kill a human.



What about Floyd Mayweather.. Even a small croc would not catch him!

No you said 'You can easily out run a crocodile on land.' You must never have seen a crocodile move on land. SteveNT has been flatten by a 4m job on land. He didn't out run it, he was just lucky the he scared it instead of making him hungry.

 

[kawasakirider]

If those things were an option that would great.

You can pretty safely assume that a croc hanging around your house is 'bailing' you up.

Ok, but would a croc wait outside a house for days if it can't see the occupants? I know they'll hang around trees, it's a sure thing.

 

[ianinoz]

Maybe I ( and others) would take you more seriously if you actullay had even the slightest clue/knowledge on what you are talking about. Their is no such thing as a 9-10m salty...Not now and not in the past.

From Aussie croc expert Adam Britton

"The saltwater crocodile is the largest living crocodilian species based on confirmed measurements. It is also the world's largest living reptile in terms of mass. Adult males can reach sizes of up to 6 meters (20 feet) with possible reports of exceptionally rare individuals of nearly 7 metres (23 feet). However, the largest confirmed individual was measured as 20.7 feet (6.3 metres) taking into account partial tail loss. There is always a lot of interest over the largest ever recorded saltie. In general, males over 5 m (17 feet) in length are extremely rare. Females are smaller, the normal maximum adult size being 2.5 m to 3 m (8 to 10 feet). Maximum weight varies, but large salties have been known to exceed 1,000 kg as 18 to 19 foot adults. 5 metre adults are closer to 400 to 500 kg."
Crocodilian Species - Australian Saltwater Crocodile (Crocodylus porosus)



No...you can easily outrun a large heavy crocodile on open land. Your danger zone for a large crocodile is shallow-deep water and if you are on the immediate waters edge...anywhere else you are fine. And if you are on the immediate waters edge and are attacked and the croc misses you should be able to easily get away and in 90 percent of instances the croc won't even try to go after you on land.

The biggest danger zone is being ambushed on the waters edge or shallow water.

And what about the big salty that was hunted down and killed near Normanton in Juky 1957 (8.7m long).

 

[waruikazi]

Ok I accept that, but I guarantee if someone from a remote area (who couldn't get a snake relocater) with a tai in their backyard that had killed their pet dog joined up here saying they killed it, there would be an uproar.

I agree there would be. But i wouldn't judge that person for their actions if the snake was still posing an unacceptable risk to life and they had no other options.

Ok, but would a croc wait outside a house for days if it can't see the occupants? I know they'll hang around trees, it's a sure thing.

I don't know, i can't answer that question sorry.

 

[longqi]

There are doubts about the actual size of the Normanton Croc
Even the woman who shot it was doubtful when she opened the exhibit near the Purple Pub
The measurements were and still are unconfirmed
All photos were lost in a flood in the 1970s
It is certain that it was a very very big animal
But nothing remains to prove it either way
Guiness took their records from newspaper reports

I would imagine a big croc would just wait if it had a scent of food
Remember all those documentaries about the Zambesi Crossing
If the river doesnt drop the crocs just stay there slowly starving until it does

 

[mmafan555]

And what about the big salty that was hunted down and killed near Normanton in Juky 1957 (8.7m long).

I highly doubt it was that long... But first I must say I just re read my post and I sounded like a prick so I am sorry... It just annoys me when people use exaggerated and often completely wrong facts to kind of justify killing an animal.. You see it with Wolves in the US. You hear these absurd fear driven stories of "enormous Canadian Wolves"( Wolves from Canada were released into Yellowstone) that are huge and kill all the elk and cattle blah blah blah. When in reality studies have shown that the Wolves are very similar in size to the Wolves that originally lived in the area and that the effect on cattle and bovids is minimal. Of course the hunting lobby would want to push false exaggerated stories of Wolves to the public...because Wolves equal less Elk and Bovids for them to hunt. My point is if your going to make arguments for culling/removing etc just at least use accurate arguments.

Niles can also get huge..in fact in some regions of Africa they probably are similar in size as Salties and just as dangerous.

The Adelaide River in NT seems to have huge crocodiles

 

[longqi]

Yes the Adelaide Daly and East South and West Adelaide seem to have a few big ones

That is the core of the problem
Big crocs rule their part of the river
They chase off or kill any intruders if they can or else they lose and they leave
The problem lies in Where do they go?
They leave that part of the river and travel somewhere else
Now there are far too many crocs that have never been hunted
So they just wander into human country
Those numbers are increasing every year and have dramatically increased just in the last five years
So this problem is not one that is just going to go away

With a shark you can just use shark nets
With any snake a hook and a bag
With a croc you can do absolutely nothing except kill or remove it
They cannot easily co-exist with humans

 

[waruikazi]

That's it Longqi, something has got to give and you can bet your dollar that it wont be people.

 

[mmafan555]

Yes the Adelaide Daly and East South and West Adelaide seem to have a few big ones

Obviously their is no way you could really accurate judge this...but which river/rivers in your opinion has the greatest amounts of big monster crocs? Could you do like a top 3 ranking based on what you have seen. Thanks

The extreme territorial nature of Salties does make the situation very difficult. So most of the "problem crocs" tend to be smaller less dominant animals that are pushed out of the main rivers/prime habitat by the bigger dominant ones?

Maybe I am just unfairly biased against hunting/hunters because I am influenced by the idiotic cowboy way Americans handle large animals. Where a wolf kills one sheep and then their is an out-roar and the ranchers/hunters machine gun the entire pack. And then you hear ridiculous stories( pushed through by the hunting and ranching lobby) about how "wolves are out of control" and are "twice the size they were 50 years ago" and are :quadrupling in population and killing all the elk and cattle" when in reality they are the same size they have always been and are actullay declining in population.

 

[Cockney_Red]

You Northerners are a bunch of tarts, good job you dont live in parts of Africa, where the niles kill, a hell of a lot more people than here, but manage to cohabit with them, you'd be calling for Nuking, not culling....