WARNING For People Lending Snakes As Breeding Loans

[starr9]

Thanks Colin. OP if you need someone to come and stand outside the DECC offices or even the police station in quiet, peaceful protest with you I'm in.

I second that!!!

 

[Nighthawk]

If I didn't have the kids to worry about I'd travel for that.
Thanks for the PM Colin, I'll be sure to spread the word around here. Your inbox is full btw lol

 

[Colin]

Im clearing out a few messages now.. thanks nighthawk.. spread the word

If anyone tries to look this bloke up in the members list you might not find this person in the members list anymore..
because I just booted him..

 

[Fantazmic]

I have just logged in at work between clients.....not supposed to but had to know what had happened.

I am in shock.....I am wondering if DECC placed them in the hands of an unidentfied 'carer' because to give them back to wayne and leannne would mean 'taking sides' and they were worried about becoming involved in litigation. However their mistake is treating the animals as if they belong to them. All DECC do is provide permission to keep the animals and withdraw that permission if there is breeches to licencing arrangements. They do not OWN the animals and as such can make decisions about the animals welfare but cannot make decisions without informing you. and essentially your animals have had decisions made about them without your input.

You need to get the ombudsman involved. They had no right to make a decision like that without informing you....that is your argument, lack of transparency that then effected your options of complaint or intervention...because by not informing you they have led you to beleive a different course of action would eventuate than what actually occured and this prevented you from taking alternative action eg getting a solicitor involved (whether you would or wouldnt have gone to a solicitor is irrelevant you thought the animals were going to be returned to you...if you thought they wearnt going to be then you might have taken this course of action). or complaining earlier to the ombudsman to get the ombudsman involved at an earlier time.

So they actually misled you to protect themselves...that is your argument to the ombudsman...whether DECC beleived you when you told them some of your animals were included is irrelevant...it is not their place to make that call...and it is not their place to make decisions that effect you without informing you first. the other party were given plenty of warning......you were left in the dark.

I hope this helps.....Please keep going...if for no other reason than to make DECC accountable for their actions.

If you need help writing the letter just PM me. If youc an send me a running sheet of everything that happened I am good at putting these things together (have worked with govt funding bodies etc)

Colin could you also PM me the name of this creep that has caused all these problems....I do speak to people on here...especially newbies and I would like to be able to caution people if they decide to deal with these unprinicpled.....well can I call them people ?

The biggest learning curve I ahve taken from this is never never never will my babies leave my sight !!!!!!!!!

I am so sorry for your loss and trouble....your nerves must be frayed

Elizabeth

 

[Colin]

done elizabeth..

 

[Red-Ink]

done elizabeth..

One more Col please...

 

[Gecko :)]

wow I am SHOCKED to hear who is behind this!!
I have dealt with this guy before & he seemed lovely,. just shows you never know who you can & cant trust!
I am very disappointed to hear that one of my animals could be caught up in all of this very sad indeed
I just hope he managed to sell the animal before this all happened.

What the hell were the authorities thinking? what was their reasoning for handing them over to someone random?

 

[tsbjd]

Can you PM me as well thanks Colin,

 

[Gecko :)]

so if the animals have now been seized & passed on to someone else is there any report as to what the condition of the animals are?
Cant imagine they would be in good shape considering the amount of time that has gone by without water etc.

I know we are not allowed to name & shame on here but I have a facebook Reptile page & I am wondering if I would get into any trouble for posting a warning on facebook?

 

[Tristis]

what a joke...
Wanye & Leanne i hope in the end it works out for you both.
can someone please PM me, as i dont wont want to deal with these sort of people.
cheers

 

[tsbjd]

Im still having trouble getting a grasp on this - Do you have a chance of getting your animals back, or are they going back to the woman? If not - is it possible to have an extended quarantine time? (12-18 months?), or even raffle / give? them to people that are informed of the circumstances, and what they have been exposed too? ( Mainly just so the woman doesnt get anything, but also would be so much better to see you get something back)

 

[sara_sabian]

I'm absolutely gutted for you, this is just reprehensible; to be screwed over from so many angles.
Could someone please pm as to who this loser is? I'd hate to deal with them and would like to spread the word.
Also, I'm pretty horrified that these rangers have no awareness about reptile diseases, to think that they can come into our homes and walk around our collections possible carrying any range of nasties (and clearly having no respect nor knowledge of quarantine)... made my blood run cold.

 

[Jen]

This is totally ridiculous. I just cannot comprehend how an agency that is supposed to monitor and govern reptile keepers etc has just totally fallen down like this. Everyone involved (agency wise) needs to be fired and replaced by someone competent. How are our license fees being spent if this is what happens to people who are obeying the law?

Slight possibility we may move to QLD/NSW border, could I please get a pm on names?

And I would be willing to email whoever to get the news etc involved, I am really sickened.

 

[GeckoJosh]

One more Col please...

+1 thanks Colin

 

[DeadCricket]

Again.... Sigh... Story after story of the incredibly ignorant government we have.

And funnily enough it would take a normal person a matter of a year to wade through every government department and make a list of all the crap, all the policies and procedures that are a joke. Maybe we should just start fresh, throw it all away, make a standing rule that no one with previous political experience can re enter politics, no one can serve two consecutive terms & laws need to be put past more than a handful of basic australian residents before being passed.

Now that my anti government rant is done, I think we should look at what can be done here.

Complimentary vet investigation and treatment before return of your beloved animals

Or

Full compensation for all costs related to the animals that were carelessly kept from you

 

[MesseNoire]

I for one would be more than happy to make a small donation towards any vet bills or for court or whatever to show my support!
I wish you both well and I hope the final result is an outcome that is fair and in your favour.
Good luck guys!

 

[marcmarc]

I'd quite like to know the username of the person who caused all this. PM me please anyone.

I'm really sorry it turned out this way and all I can say is please don't give up, you guys have mega loads of support here. All the best for you and the animals.

 

[phantomreptiles]

Well that isn't what I thought the outcome would be :-(
My thoughts are with you both

Colin can I also get a pm

 

[Gecko :)]

your going to be a busy boy Colin!
Can anyone confirm if I can get in trouble for posting this thread & his name on my Facebook page?

 

[SJPCLO]

Hi. I've been following this miscarriage of justice from the start. It has sort of put me off buying any further snakes from private sellers, which is a shame since I became friends with the two previous owners of my snakes. Is it possible to get a PM off a moderator of all people that I should be weary of ?

Wishing you the best in your endeavour to retrieve your reptiles.
Regards,
Shane.