Classic forms.

[B_STATS]

Does no one prefer the classic forms of reptiles anymore? It seems all I read is people getting excited over 'super, lime, banana-heads' and what not. I get that a lot of breeders make their living off these highly sought after forms and therefore will defend it passionately but is it going too far? How many hatchies suffer and die because a breeder is going after a specific form? How hard will it become to find genuine classic forms in the future because nobody seems to want them or appreciate them anymore? It seems reptiles are becoming a designer hobby rather than for people who genuinely love them for them. It has been shown time and again that even among reptiles inbreeding, especially close relation inbreeding raises the risks of harmful defects. The general rule of thumb even for inbreeding is to leave a 3-5 generation gap between the pair. Yet this is disregarded if there is a chance that a new and rare form may come about. I do not wish to cause fights or put anyone down I am merely stating my concerns and opinions. I realize a lot of replies may be negative and try and put me down but hopefully those people are dealt with accordingly. I'd love to see the animals of those who prefer the classic forms and aren't in it for the big money and notoriety. When I fell in love with Reptiles it wasn't because they were valuable or something to be compared. It was simply because Reptiles are the coolest animals in the World! And Australia is exceptionally blessed with some amazing and unique Reptiles that will hopefully forever remain a big part of our iconic wildlife.

 

[saximus]

Your concerns have been voiced on this site over and over and over...
There are still plenty of wild type animals available all the time if that is what you are into. If morphs aren't your cup of tea, don't buy one but I don't see why everyone seems so concerned about what everyone else wants to do. There is plenty of room in the hobby for both.

 

[Morelia.spilota]

I agree with you, I to prefer to keep my Species as close too natural colourings as possible... But that said in this day and age where normal is boring to some people there will always be a call for what is weird and strange and sometimes if that means bending the genetic envlope than that is what will happen..

 

[Snowman]

Your concerns have been voiced on this site over and over and over...
There are still plenty of wild type animals available all the time if that is what you are into. If morphs aren't your cup of tea, don't buy one but I don't see why everyone seems so concerned about what everyone else wants to do. There is plenty of room in the hobby for both.

Agreed.

 

[B_STATS]

I suppose it is just Human nature to abuse.

 

[champagne]

It has been shown time and again that even among reptiles inbreeding, especially close relation inbreeding raises the risks of harmful defects. The general rule of thumb even for inbreeding is to leave a 3-5 generation gap between the pair. Yet this is disregarded if there is a chance that a new and rare form may come about.

Where are you getting your information from? Inbreeding in reptiles doesn't cause defects and If done correctly can actually improve the line. As for the local and wild type snakes there are many people that keep and breed them, Even people that breed morphs still generally keep a pair or two of pure local snakes.

 

[Snowman]

Where are you getting your information from? Inbreeding in reptiles doesn't cause defects and If done correctly can actually improve the line. As for the local and wild type snakes there are many people that keep and breed them, Even people that breed morphs still generally keep a pair or two of pure local snakes.

It's just his opinion. It's not based on experience or study. I wouldn't worry too much about it.
He keeps morphs himself. After all unless you have wild caught animals you have a mix if different locals which aren't true to form really as they wouldn't occur naturally in the wild with that mix if genetics.

 

[Trimeresurus]

Sax, bts and Snow summed this thread up nicely.

All it needs is the OPs vigilant defence of his opinion and some more made up facts.

 

[sharky]

The new morphs and forms are exciting. What makes it exciting is to see how far the reptile hobby is expanding and how hard people have worked to bring a new morph into the hobby.

I still prefer the classics but that doesn't mean I don't enjoy learning and looking at all the new fancy-pants coloured reptiles

 

[B_STATS]

I expected the usual lot to jump in and harshly defend such money hungry, abusive actions. There are plenty of reasons not to inbreed Reptiles such as: Doubles up on faults and weaknesses. Progressive loss of immune response. Increased reproductive failures resulting in fewer offspring. Emphasis on appearance means accidental loss of "good" genes for other attributes and genetically impoverished individuals. The pros are merely: They look pretty and they make lots of money. Only those that have lost most of their respect for Reptiles and desire profit and a name for themselves do this. But I suppose that is all it takes most people to convince them. Close relations produce almost certain defects and other issues in hatchlings. When inbred close relations such as siblings or offspring and mother will produce infertile eggs. Some embryos will die during incubation or during hatching and roughly half are likely to hatch at all. But again when there is money to be made from the few that survive then the others are acceptable losses to some. I merely have superior morals and there is no shame in that. The simple fact that health risks are increased would turn any true reptile enthusiast off inbreeding. Flame away.

 

[Snowman]

I expected the usual lot to jump in and harshly defend such money hungry, abusive actions. There are plenty of reasons not to inbreed Reptiles such as: Doubles up on faults and weaknesses. Progressive loss of immune response. Increased reproductive failures resulting in fewer offspring. Emphasis on appearance means accidental loss of "good" genes for other attributes and genetically impoverished individuals. The pros are merely: They look pretty and they make lots of money. Only those that have lost most of their respect for Reptiles and desire profit and a name for themselves do this. But I suppose that is all it takes most people to convince them. Close relations produce almost certain defects and other issues in hatchlings. When inbred close relations such as siblings or offspring and mother will produce infertile eggs. Some embryos will die during incubation or during hatching and roughly half are likely to hatch at all. But again when there is money to be made from the few that survive then the others are acceptable losses to some. I merely have superior morals and there is no shame in that. The simple fact that health risks are increased would turn any true reptile enthusiast off inbreeding. Flame away.

You are still making zero sense....
Not even sure what money you mean? Seriously who makes money out of their snakes? I made about $10k last year. Still wouldn't think I've broken even and I breed wild caught animals.
Your ramblings always reminds me of this:

Billy Madison - Ultimate Insult (Academic Decathlon)[Forum Weapon][How To Troll][Ignorance Is Bliss] - YouTube

 

[Amberbubula]

Sax, bts and Snow summed this thread up nicely.

All it needs is the OPs vigilant defence of his opinion and some more made up facts.

nailed it..

 

[Snowman]

nailed it..

Agreed. The made up facts are the most entertaining

 

[baker]

There is always going to be a morph side and a wild type side of this hobby no matter what. The most likely reason you seem to think there is more morph people would be that they post more pictures and are more active on forums and other pages. If you are so against morphs then how about you start to keep colubrids and elapids where next to no morph occurs. Even better yet if you want to preserve wild types so much get up and actively start helping conservation of wild populations and stop concentrating on what people do with the animals they have.
Cheers Cameron

 

[Snowman]

Hmmmm

 

[hunterschamps]

Its personal prefrence really.

Its like water vs wine, you like water, i like wine.

I myself like pure breds, but how can you really keep a line pure bred without wild catching snakes from that locality and breeding them into your stock? This is illegal anyway unless you have the license to do so..

As someone who is relativly new to the herp scene, but has a background is business can see there is no way you can make and liveable amount of money off of breeding snakes, whether it be morphs or not, unless you have a large commercial operation.

 

[saximus]

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[Snowman]

The thread was turned into a joke when you started posting things that don't make sense and non factual statements....

 

[Rob]

Let's all put the brakes on, & take a cruise on over to http://www.aussiepythons.com/forum/community-41/reflections-oegooda-forum-member-203569/

 

[Red-Ink]

I agree with you, I to prefer to keep my Species as close too natural colourings as possible... But that said in this day and age where normal is boring to some people there will always be a call for what is weird and strange and sometimes if that means bending the genetic envlope than that is what will happen..

What an odd statement given your avatar pic....