Herpaderpa
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So you are going to ignore my experience and research from well respected herpetologists for your guesses? Interesting, do you have any experience or research to confirm that once they find an appropriate spot that they go out for excercise?
No need to be offended Waruikazi No one said I was ignoring your experience or research? :lol: I take all information provided on a forum with a grain of salt, I'm not going to blindly follow words on a forum from anyone I don't know, especially if they seem to argue for arguments sake I know from watching my own snakes that they do indeed move. Thats enough for me to know that I should keep my own snakes in enclosures/tubs where they can move. Pretty simple conclusion.
The Darwin in question was living 2ft above my TV unit in an open air lounge area, although not 24/7 surveilance i was watching it (when it was out) daily for probably 3 or 4 hours.
So it did come out and move then? Daily even?
Making the argument that you have, comparing a captive scenario to the wild, is an argument for not keeping reptiles in cages at all.
In fact waruikazi, that was your argument if you remember That wild pythons do not often move from a preferred spot, therefor implying it is ok to keep them in small containers. I personally don't see how that is justification.
They have no choice on the cozy spots they get in any enclosure.
Mine do, they get a choice of hides and perches. It is certainly more choice than the enclosure examples shown on a lot of american keepers youtube videos.
Just take note that i never said that they shouldn't be able to move around, i think there is a minimum appropriate size. To me that size is 2/3rds the length of the snake (either high or long depending on species) and 1/3 deep.
then I wonder why you are arguing. I agree.
I also think there is no difference between being kept in a tub and being kept in a fancy enclosure, if the tub is set up for the animals needs. And if keeping large numbers, tubs are going to save on cleaning, money and space. Of course this again depends on everyones particular point of view, but I feel carpets and any semi arboreal snake should be able to stretch out, raise their heads and climb and perch at will. A tub can provide all those things when set up right.
I also think any animal should have the opportunity to raise its head, at the very least, if it feels the need to. Again, a lot of american keepers keep their snakes in conditions so cramped, the animal coiled takes up more than 2/3 of the enclosure and there is no room at all for the animal to raise its head.
The youtube video that started this thread was questionable, but not horrible. I would call it barely satisfactory. It was really a bare minimum set up but I didn't feel like he should be shot for abuse... but maybe for his hair.