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Hey everyone,
For school, i have a debate that 'parents should not be allowed to smack their children'. I know heaps of people like to debate on this site and was wondering if i could get some opinions?
I am first speaker and i have never been first speaker before.. gll...
edit: sorry i spelt the title wrong i just realised then...
 
Kids should be smacked. They should not be smacked to inflict pain but simply to be taught a lesson... Without punishment the world would be a mess and to teach a child how to act they need punishment. A good punishment is smacking because it frightens the kid. My dad, when he was a kid used to get chased around the house with a wooden spoon... so why change it now?
 
I smacked my children when they were little, never when i was angry, and only after they had been given 2 warnings about what they were doing, it was never hard, just enough to shock \ frighten them, my 'theory' was that they had to learn that their actions sometimes meant uncomfortable consequences, cause and effect if you like,
I rarely smacked after the age of 3, didn't need to, they new when i meant 'business' when i started the 1.....2..... countdown
 
I smacked my children when they were little, never when i was angry, and only after they had been given 2 warnings about what they were doing, it was never hard, just enough to shock \ frighten them, my 'theory' was that they had to learn that their actions sometimes meant uncomfortable consequences, cause and effect if you like,
I rarely smacked after the age of 3, didn't need to, they new when i meant 'business' when i started the 1.....2..... countdown
Yeah that's kinda what it was like with me. It's really good that i am getting opinions on the other side because the i can think of things to say against that for my argument. From what i understand, some of these views are from an adult's point so maybe other girls my age wouldn't come up with the same arguments but thanks so much for the points keep them coming :D
 
PS: and to me there is a huge difference between a 'smack' and 'spanking', 'spanking' to me infers mulitple hits, and i don't think they should ever be used, because it means you have lost control,
 
PS: and to me there is a huge difference between a 'smack' and 'spanking', 'spanking' to me infers mulitple hits, and i don't think they should ever be used, because it means you have lost control,
well in that case, let me re-state.
our debate is actually That parents should not be allowed to spank their children.
 
a good flogging never goes astray, i copped it as a kid if i did something wrong. wouldn't be who i am today if i wasn't. if i have kids they will be smacked the same.

i can't remember how many wooden spoons were snapped across my bum.
 
well in that case, let me re-state.
our debate is actually That parents should not be allowed to spank their children.

to that i would say "No", it means you have lost control of the situation and are incapable of acting rational,

even animals that raise their young will 'reprimand' their offspring but they do not continue the aggression once the offspring has ceased the wrong doing that it was being reprimanded.for.

That is when the offspring learn aggression, when discipline is administered without control

good luck with your debating, let us know how you go, I love a good debate (as opposed to an arguement) :p
 
There is a huge difference between discipline ie a smack and abuse!
IMO there is a huge lack of discipline these days, kids are feral! Perhaps if a few more kids got a few more smacks they would turn into better people.

And some kids dont respond to other forms of discipline and I can say that because I was one of those kids. Sending me to my room or the naughty corner, grounding, deprivimg me of toys were all useless! About the only thing that did work was a good smack.

That said i dont think kids should be hit in anger or with belts, or hit in the head but no damage is done with a smack on the butt. It just lets the kid know they have gone too far.
 
U have probably only been smacked 5 times throughout my life and I believe it is great for discipline. After the first few times the fear of getting smacked again stops you from doing what our not meant to. I agree completely with sarah_m post thou.

On a side note gather information of what the other team will be talking about and have rebutels ready for what they are going to say. :)
 
I'm strict with my kids, but didn't need to spank or hit. I smacked a hand once - when I'd lost it, not when it was a horrible act. The kids don't remember, but I do.

This recent article describes an international research project and suggests that smacking/spanking is associated with lower IQ. This doesn't mean smacking causes low IQ, it could be the case that less intelligent folks are more likely to use smacking. In any case, the difference is large enough that countries where smacking is normal have lower national IQ scores. Interesting reading and good ammunition for a debate.

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I'm strict with my kids, but didn't need to spank or hit. I smacked a hand once - when I'd lost it, not when it was a horrible act. The kids don't remember, but I do.

This recent article describes an international research project and suggests that smacking/spanking is associated with lower IQ. This doesn't mean smacking causes low IQ, it could be the case that less intelligent folks are more likely to use smacking. In any case, the difference is large enough that countries where smacking is normal have lower national IQ scores. Interesting reading and good ammunition for a debate.
http://www.medscape.com/viewarticle/709477?src=mpnews&spon=34&uac=10445EN

I can't really see how smacking would cause low I.Q? I did remember reading that slapping the hand sends a jolt to the heart or something?
 
wow seems like a great website but i can't get into it, it says i need a password...
thanks for all the replies!
 
Sorry about that - guess we have access automatically. Here's the text:

From Medscape Medical News

Spanking Linked to Lower IQ in Children

Janis C. Kelly



September 24, 2009 — Groundbreaking research suggests children who are spanked have lower IQs than those who are not, and that the difference is large enough to lower national IQ scores in countries where corporal punishment of children is routine.
Murray Straus, PhD, head of the Family Research Laboratory at the University of New Hampshire, Durham, told Medscape Psychiatry that his landmark 32-nation study of corporal punishment by parents and IQ also suggests that recent increases in IQ in many nations may have been partly a result of the worldwide decrease in the use of corporal punishment by parents.
"The longitudinal part of our study showed that children who were spanked the most fell behind the average IQ development curve, and those who were never spanked advanced ahead of the average," Dr. Straus said. He presented his results at the 14th International Conference on Violence, Abuse and Trauma in San Diego, California.
"That suggested to us that nations that use more corporal punishment of children would have more kids falling behind what they could have achieved, which might result in lower average national IQ, and that is what we found when we looked at data from 32 countries," he added.
To determine the longitudinal effects of spanking, Dr. Straus and colleague Mallie Paschall, PhD, senior research scientist at the Pacific Institute for Research and Evaluation, studied nationally representative US samples of 806 children aged 2 to 4 years and 704 children aged 5 to 9 years. Both groups were retested 4 years later.
The IQs of children aged 2 to 4 years who were not spanked were 5 points higher 4 years later than the IQs of those who were spanked. The IQs of children aged 5 to 9 years who were not spanked were 2.8 points higher 4 years later than the IQs of children the same age who were spanked.
Slows Mental Development
"How often parents spanked made a difference. The more spanking, the slower the development of the child's mental ability. But even small amounts of spanking made a difference," Dr. Straus said.

Next the researchers examined data from the 32-nation International Dating Violence Study, which included 17,404 students at 68 universities in 32 nations. This study included 2 questions asked to assess experiences of corporal punishment:
  • "I was spanked or hit a lot by my parents before age 12."
  • "When I was a teenager, I was hit a lot by my mother or father."
Possible responses were strongly disagree, disagree, agree, and strongly agree.
The researchers used the percentage of students who agreed or strongly agreed to estimate the corporal punishment rate in each nation. They then correlated those rates with data on national average IQ. The analysis controlled for 10 variables including mother's education level and socioeconomic status.
The analysis showed a lower national average IQ in nations where spanking was more prevalent. Dr. Straus said that the strongest link between corporal punishment and IQ was for those whose parents continued to use corporal punishment even when subjects were teenagers.
"I was surprised that this link was so strong," Dr. Straus said. "It was logical, but lots of logical things don't work out."
Economic Implications
The correlation between corporal punishment and IQ has major economic implications, as several studies have shown that gross domestic product is closely related to national average IQ, Dr. Straus said.
The researchers suggest 2 possible explanations for the association between corporal punishment and lower IQ.
First, corporal punishment is extremely stressful and can become a chronic stressor for young children, who typically experience corporal punishment 3 or more times a week. For many, it continues for years.
Research shows that the stress of corporal punishment shows up as an increase in posttraumatic stress symptoms, such as being fearful that terrible things are about to happen and being easily startled. These symptoms are associated with lower IQ.
Second, a higher national level of economic development underlies both fewer parents using corporal punishment and a higher national IQ.
The good news is that the use of corporal punishment has been decreasing worldwide, which may signal future gains in IQ across the globe.
"The worldwide trend away from corporal punishment is most clearly reflected in the 24 nations that legally banned corporal punishment by 2009. Both the European Union and the United Nations have called on all member nations to prohibit corporal punishment by parents. Some of the 24 nations that prohibit corporal punishment by parents have made vigorous efforts to inform the public and assist parents in managing their children. In others, little has been done to implement the prohibition," Dr. Straus said.
"Nevertheless, there is evidence that attitudes favoring corporal punishment and actual use of corporal punishment have been declining even in nations that have done little to implement the law and in nations which have not prohibited corporal punishment," he added.
Problem Child? Ask Whether Parents Are Spanking
Dr. Straus says the findings have immediate clinical implications. One of the first things physicians should do when working with a child who has behavioral problems is to ask the parents about spanking.
If parents are spanking in an attempt to control behavior, they need to be told this is not effective and only serves to model an aversive style of interaction, said Dr. Straus. Instead, clinicians should ask how much punitive vs positive discipline is applied.
"You want to shift the balance away from punitive discipline, such as corporal punishment or verbal violence...toward positive discipline, such as explaining, praising, and rewarding the kid, and not just paying attention when the child is doing something wrong," said Dr. Straus.
Dr. Straus strongly emphasized that foregoing punitive discipline does not mean halting other forms of discipline. He also noted that "one of the most closely held secrets in child psychology" is that with children age 2 years or under, no form of discipline really works.
"The recidivism rate for bad behavior is about 50% within 2 hours and 100% within 24 hours in 2-year-olds," Dr. Straus said. "This is true no matter what you do, because those children might understand that what they have done is wrong, but they do not have the developmental control of their behavior that enables them not to repeat it. With 2-year-olds, you just have to be consistent and keep using positive discipline over and over."
Correlation Clear, Cause Uncertain
Elizabeth Gershoff, PhD, associate professor in the Department of Human Development and Family Sciences, University of Texas at Austin, who herself conducted research into the effects of corporal punishment by parents on children, told Medscape Psychiatry that Dr. Straus has observed "an interesting association between national levels of corporal punishment of children, experiences of stress, and IQ," but that it is premature to suggest a causal connection.
She noted that other phenomena that might explain why corporal punishment has gone down and IQ has gone up include increasing levels of education. Better-educated parents use less corporal punishment and are more likely to engage in activities that support children's IQ such as reading to them or helping them with homework, she noted.
Dr. Gershoff added that the model Dr. Straus has suggested is in line with previous research, but that the mechanism by which spanking may lead to lower cognitive abilities remains unclear.
"I am cautious about making causal conclusions about what reducing corporal punishment would do at a country level," Dr. Gershoff said. "It is possible that reducing parents' reliance on corporal punishment may improve children's IQ scores, but I would suggest that would only be the case if parents are able to substitute positive and nonpunitive discipline in the place of corporal punishment."
The study was supported by the National Institute of Mental Health and the University of New Hampshire. The authors have disclosed no relevant financial relationships.
14th International Conference on Violence, Abuse and Trauma: Presentation KF3. Presented September 25, 2009.
 
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