pakobs
New Member
Does anyone know how to distinguish between a hatchling Diamond and a hatchling Carpet Python?
Diamond or Carpet hatchling?
- Thread starter pakobs
- Start date
Help Support Aussie Pythons & Snakes Forum:
- Status
jimmy_the_kid
Very Well-Known Member
it aint a diamond my guess is coastal carpet or coastal cross
pakobs
New Member
Thanks Jimmy. What are you basing that on? Colouration or pattern?
jimmy_the_kid
Very Well-Known Member
both of those its not the right colour for a diamond they are typically black and white or gold/yellow
and the patterning dosnt match a diamonds at all im guessing its a pure coastal but not 100%
would be better if u could see it streched out
and the patterning dosnt match a diamonds at all im guessing its a pure coastal but not 100%
would be better if u could see it streched out
pakobs
New Member
Here's the same hatchy stretched out a bit more. Hope that helps.
It was sold to me as a Central Coast Diamond, but a mate of mine reckons it's a Carpet.
So far it's two against one and a half (I'm unsure?)
It was sold to me as a Central Coast Diamond, but a mate of mine reckons it's a Carpet.
So far it's two against one and a half (I'm unsure?)
jimmy_the_kid
Very Well-Known Member
hmmmm those last to make it look more like a coastal x diamond
its most like like a intergrade known as a gosford(central coast) coastal u got what u were told u were getting if thats what u were after then congrates lol
nuthing wrong with an intergrade fine looking snake if u ask me
take in mind im no expert but in my opinion its a gosford coastal
its most like like a intergrade known as a gosford(central coast) coastal u got what u were told u were getting if thats what u were after then congrates lol
nuthing wrong with an intergrade fine looking snake if u ask me
take in mind im no expert but in my opinion its a gosford coastal
Greebo
Snakologist
Jimmy, juvenile Diamonds look nothing like their adult form. What they do look like is the snake in the photo above. How many hatchlings have you seen Jimmy?
Pakobs, I reckon you have a Diamond python there mate. I don't think it is a coastal or even an intergrade. The best way to be sure, is to view the parents before you buy.
How old & how large is that snake?
In the pic it does look a bit larger than a hatchy.
:roll: You have also hit a touchy subject, many people on online forums put up pics of X's & interegrades and then call them pure diamonds. Wich inturn starts a big old debate that gets noware. I guess here we go again :lol: :roll:
IMO a good Diamond represents it name, Diamond shape markings with no blotches or strips on its body.
Thats not to say some pure Diamonds don't have a small amount of circular blotches or a little bit of striping.
Good luck mate, enjoy your snake no matter what it is.
In the pic it does look a bit larger than a hatchy.
:roll: You have also hit a touchy subject, many people on online forums put up pics of X's & interegrades and then call them pure diamonds. Wich inturn starts a big old debate that gets noware. I guess here we go again :lol: :roll:
IMO a good Diamond represents it name, Diamond shape markings with no blotches or strips on its body.
Thats not to say some pure Diamonds don't have a small amount of circular blotches or a little bit of striping.
Good luck mate, enjoy your snake no matter what it is.
http://www.aussiepythons.com/index.php?name=PNphpBB2&file=viewtopic&t=8625
if this link works you can see some coastal hatchlings. they do look quite different to the diamonds I think.
if this link works you can see some coastal hatchlings. they do look quite different to the diamonds I think.
pakobs
New Member
Hatchling Diamond or Carpet?
Thanks heaps guys.
Great photos and well illustrated Deano. What an incredible transformation!
You give me hope. I was a bit unsure at first, its quite a PHENOMENON.
I've since been directed to the following literature by Professor Richard Shine:-
"Hatchlings are blotched with various shades of brown, and look just like juveniles (and adults) of the closely related carpet python."
"...hatchlings of these two subspecies are very similar in colour, even though adults are so different."
Australian Snakes-A Natural History, 1991
and "A strong ontogenetic shift in colouration, whereby hatchling Diamond Pythons superficially resemble Carpet Pythons occurs." Also Dr. Shine, Biology of Morelia spilota, NSWNPWS, 1994
Has anyone done or seen more recent research into this phenomena?
Good advice Greebo but what distinguishing characteristics do you look for when you can't see the parents?
P.S- My "hatchling" is about 3 months old and about 2 foot long. :?:
Thanks heaps guys.
Great photos and well illustrated Deano. What an incredible transformation!
You give me hope. I was a bit unsure at first, its quite a PHENOMENON.
I've since been directed to the following literature by Professor Richard Shine:-
"Hatchlings are blotched with various shades of brown, and look just like juveniles (and adults) of the closely related carpet python."
"...hatchlings of these two subspecies are very similar in colour, even though adults are so different."
Australian Snakes-A Natural History, 1991
and "A strong ontogenetic shift in colouration, whereby hatchling Diamond Pythons superficially resemble Carpet Pythons occurs." Also Dr. Shine, Biology of Morelia spilota, NSWNPWS, 1994
Has anyone done or seen more recent research into this phenomena?
Good advice Greebo but what distinguishing characteristics do you look for when you can't see the parents?
P.S- My "hatchling" is about 3 months old and about 2 foot long. :?:
I don't know what happend there but my last post got put before yours then.
Anyway if you look at this link there are some pics of hatchling coastals that do look quite different to the diamonds.
cheers
http://www.aussiepythons.com/index.php?name=PNphpBB2&file=viewtopic&t=8625
Anyway if you look at this link there are some pics of hatchling coastals that do look quite different to the diamonds.
cheers
http://www.aussiepythons.com/index.php?name=PNphpBB2&file=viewtopic&t=8625
pakobs
New Member
Thanks Linus, a good comparison!
The dorsal blotches appear to join up anteriorly and there's a continuous dorsal stripe towards the tail. Now we're getting somewhere!
P.S. Linus-Re: time warp?- I think the distortion was at my end. I'm still getting used to the technology. Either that or it was the mysterious ontogenetic shift!
Cheers
The dorsal blotches appear to join up anteriorly and there's a continuous dorsal stripe towards the tail. Now we're getting somewhere!
P.S. Linus-Re: time warp?- I think the distortion was at my end. I'm still getting used to the technology. Either that or it was the mysterious ontogenetic shift!
Cheers
- Status
Similar threads
- Locked
