illegal snakes??

[cris]

I think there would be heaps of members here from Qld keeping illegal exotic pest species without even knowing it, check this link Magpie posted in the wolf pup thread
http://www.nrm.qld.gov.au/pests/legislation/pdf/animal_permit_education.pdf
Unless there are relevant exemptions(there could be but i havnt seen them) anyone keeping species that dont live in Qld are keeping pest species that can only be kept with a public education permit :?

As for exotics from overseas well there are always going to be ppl around who can get you "anything". Generally its easier to get illegal things than legal things for eg. illegal reptiles dont require a permit and you can get anything, illegal drugs dont require a prescription and you can get anything, illegal guns dont require a licence and permit and you can get anything etc.

I personally think exotics should be legalized to eliminate the very real threat of exotic disease. Permits for all potentially destructive exotic animals(including cats etc) should be available and regulations and inspections should be regular and comprehensive to virtually eliminate the chance of release/escape. Cost for this monitoring and regulation should be covered largly by permit fees and supplemented with tax.
Licences to keep native animals should be free and keeping native animals should be encouraged over destructive exotic species.
end of rant

 

[krusty]

Jeez didn't realise this was gonna be a dramatic topic!!! I didn't know there were that many illegal snakes in Australia, and all the people wanting to stand up and scream at me to tell the authorities, I don't know his address so i honestly can't help and besides that hes not the type of person you get into trouble :wink: Damn don't know if this topics gonna end up good enough to bring out the beers and doritos and salsa....... :lol:
Sorry for stirrin up the pot......
Jane

it's all good we need something like this every now and then.

 

[cris]

I know u can get them through certain people in the rebels. Other than that No idea.

Mate they are a fully legit organisation of motorcylce enthusiasts its pretty stupid to suggest otherwise IMO :|

 

[Australis]

I know u can get them through certain people in the rebels. Other than that No idea.

Mate they are a fully legit organisation of motorcylce enthusiasts its pretty stupid to suggest otherwise IMO :|

So is the Mafia :lol:

Matt

 

[Xenogenesis]

I know u can get them through certain people in the rebels. Other than that No idea.

Mate they are a fully legit organisation of motorcylce enthusiasts its pretty stupid to suggest otherwise IMO :|

Very well said, mind you theres always the few black sheep, which give the flock a bad name.

Just like theres crooked cops in out police force, but those type of things are usually quickly swept under the carpet before the media gets their hands on it, but things like "Outlaw bikies" is something the police usually make sure the press is there for, its called position justification

 

[Xenogenesis]

I know u can get them through certain people in the rebels. Other than that No idea.

Mate they are a fully legit organisation of motorcylce enthusiasts its pretty stupid to suggest otherwise IMO :|

So is the Mafia :lol:

Matt

Yes, some of their operations are legal, but usually stem from an illegal source of money... theres far more "black sheep" in this flock then normal ones

However *Un-hijacks thread*

 

[x.RandomHero.x]

i know a guy from the rebels

 

[AntaresiaLady]

Don't say Mafia in front of my ex husband.....you'll have a bunch of dudes in black suits on your door step. Scarey crap!! :shock:

You can keep illegals if you want, heck you can keep what you like....but I think you should be trying to help conserve and respect our native species by helping those who are fighting the influx of exotics into Australia, not polluting our ecosystems with species that have the potential to become prevalent and wipe out our wonderful native flora and fauna.

Personally I would NEVER keep an exotic reptile, regardless of how beautiful they are, as I for one respect the laws of this country as is directed to me by my personal religious beliefs, and I believe that Australias flora and fauna should be preserved for the generations to come. We've lost and are losing so many species every day- we as Australians should be helping to stop it happening.

Heres a thought: Once all the people who just want to sit by and allow our country to be over run with exotics sit on their asses for long enough, and the country is over run with exotics...then no one will have to worry any more about these kind of topics.

I deleted this paragraph because I felt it useless to speak- because no one gives a crap.

JM $2 Worth.

 

[cris]

i know a guy from the rebels

We got escorted by about 6 of them while going to the school formal in a limo plenty of d cars got excited :lol: :lol: :lol:
but yeah this thread is about illegal snakes and stuff not bikies

I personally will probably keep exotic herps in the future, Im thinking about keeping parasite free AHGs as a food source and i have always been interested in axolotls especially getting them to metmophasize.

 

[Xenogenesis]

^ lol now THATS style, pull up at a school formal in a limo escorted by rebels

 

[cris]

^ lol now THATS style, pull up at a school formal in a limo escorted by rebels

Made more noise than anyone else too LMAO should have seen the face of the year 12 coordinator :lol:

 

[Ags]

Apart from the introduction of diseases (of which some are already here), how much damage can these exotic snakes inflict?? I mean have a look at the amount of damage that dogs, pigs, cats, foxes, toads etc etc have done to the native population! I am sure that if the SENSIBLE introduction of exotic reptiles is legalised and the quarantine side of things is adhered to, then a lot of the inherent problems will be minimised dramatically. At the least it's another money making machine for the government.

It took quite a while for me to speak up but there you go... my two cents worth.

P.S. Hi all!! :wink:

 

[cris]

Hi Ags welcome to the site, i agree 100%

 

[AntaresiaLady]

I guess my worry Ags is that exactly like you said- look what these other animals have done.

I hate to think what the red eared sliders are doing to the environment out east somewhere (I'm sure someone has the details)
I was also told there is an established colony of corn snakes in the wild in NSW somewhere too....

So they do have the potential to cause chaos. People have licences to keep Australian reptiles, and if you go through the archives on this site, and any other sites like it- you'll find hundreds, if not thousands of posts saying :'HELP! I LOST MY SNAKE.....HELP MY SNAKE ESCAPED'....and so on. If people who are licenced to keep Australian animals can lose them/accidentally let them out...the only way that introducing illegals as keepable would be to create robot keepers who would never leave an enclosure open, or build a shoddy escapable enclosure.

So long as there are humans...there will be human error. And when it comes to species being released into the wild that are NOT native- human error is something the environment can't afford.

 

[Ags]

Thanks cris,
I guess what I am trying to say is... we didn't think things through when we brought all those domesticated animals to Oz, but we have the opportunity to be grown up and sensible about bringing some of these beautiful animals in - with minial (further) effects on the environment. Heck who wouldn't want an albino red tailed boa?? Ohter than someone who already has one!! :shock:

 

[peterescue]

no interest what so ever

 

[Ags]

Fair point AntaresiaLady, perhaps make it an advanced license like the restricted one here in QLD. That way you are assured (hopefully) that the person is experienced and capable of keeping an exotic. I know my proposal has holes, but to me it is a way of regaining some control of the animals that are brought into Australia and therefore reduce the lucridity (is there such a word) of black market imports. I would think that the NSW amnesty was aiming along the same lines.

 

[Xenogenesis]

Yeah, they thought toads would be great, they didnt take into account the sugar cane bug spends most of its time more then 1m off the ground.
They thought that the bird dubbed the "flying rat" was going to be great to fight grasshoppers (or whatever it was), but they didnt take into account that it was a bird that stayed in the cities where it originated.

I think ANY exotics should only be kept under close supervision, with many things preventing it from comeing in contact with the outside world.

 

[Ags]

You have to admit though Peter, People are funny creatures... they always want whats rare or what they can't have. I am sure there is some species out there that yu look at and think "Damn i'd like to have that!"

 

[cris]

What you say is true AntaresiaLady but if legalized properly the chances of escape can be minimal compared to the current situation, who would release an animal if they could easily sell it or take it to a petshop without commiting a serious offence.

The release of red ear sliders and possibly corn snakes is proof that what we have now doesnt work.

If proper laws regarding the exotics are properly implemented enclosures would have to be up to a particlur stanard etc and fines or jail time could be implemented if you try to conceal the event of a escapee. Im am dreaming to think that such a sensible approach could be taken but oh well.

I would also suggest keeping exotic animals should require previous experience keeping non destructive species first in a similar way to how keeping dangerous elapids is restricted in most states, I dont often hear of ppl saying "help help my tiger snake has escaped".