My vote goes to "other" . G. Shepherd, & Dane X Love Shepheds but hate the wool that comes out of them in spring, love my Dane X mastiff but he is such a noodle !!!!! Knocks everything [ & everyone ] over when he gets excited ! Debarking ?:shock: Would a person be devoiced for be too loud? I think not. I put it in same category as cosmetic tail docking. Not acceptable! :evil::x