Surely you are kidding right. He might feel attacked because you made it personal. You flat out called him a liar. Not his friend but him. Maybe try saying I think your mate might have stretched the truth rather than your story doesn't add up and I don't believe you next time.
only if someone were too self involved would they feel this, following the logic of the post, one can see that I only attacked the story it's self, not the poster who made it (unless they are the same person)
I sometimes forget that people generally aren't logical, and thus would feel personally attacked because I wouldn't believe a story they told me.
to me it was pretty overwhelmingly obvious that I was disbelieving the story, not the poster.
As far as you knowing the time line that is a bit ridiculous. Are you a neurosurgeon? I know that when I just did a neuro science class in uni we learnt it was impossible to be able to see the extent of damage and estimate time to recover with appropriate scans. Maybe you can come teach us and the surgeons sure would save lots of time and money.
as I said, personal experience of over half a decade of breeding thousands of rats and a LOT of fresh kill feeding.
I've seen any number of rats recover after being smacked in the head, I don't say it's impossible this event could have happened, but in the time frame, it's unlikely, you can disregard the time line as much as you want, but it is important to burden of proof when this thread has been turned into a anti fresh kill theme.
alarmist rhetoric and FUD have taken over, including trying to portray me as attacking people which is clearly untrue.
Also your remark about court has no bearing on this conversation or at least I didn't think it did, was the rat on trial? The timeline is insignificant. Whether he left that rat in there for 1 hour or 2372 hours he left it in there without supervision. That is the lesson and that is all that matters. I really get the sense you're nit picking for the sake of it.
indeed I have nit picked, for good reason, several people have claimed outright that fresh kill feeding is not safe, but that's only true if it's unsupervised and done without following safety rules, and i have said this clearly, I have been pedantic for this reason, how is it your don't see this?
Lastly you opened a thread that said zombie rat killed snake. Did it not cross your mind that it might have a picture? I know it did mine. Should everyone sensor everything on here for people who can't think for themselves?
Don't take this the wrong way though I'm not out to suppress you.
the least that could have been done is a clear warning, I'm not the only one who disagrees with the imagery used solely to discredit fresh kill feeding, heck there could have been a plain link to the picture so people could still see it, with a "warning graphic image" tag over it, and all would have been fine.
would you have said the same of a dog forum with a graphic image of a dog dead on the road after being hit by a car, warning to keep your dog contained? people would have been outraged to say the least, but because it's a reptile and not warm and fuzzy it's all ok?
I don't think so.
A rat could do that very quickly, I see them powering through big chunks of fruit and various things I feed them. It definitely wouldn't need a whole day. Especially seeing as it would be doing it in fear to defend itself not just because it was hungry after a bad headache!
a bad headache? if you smack a rat against a wall HARD, it's not a case of a simple head ache.
unless said whacking wasn't done with force enough to attempt to kill the rat (which is possible), again it comes down to supervision and following some simple safety rules, which obviously weren't.
The picture was very powerful for me and I am glad it was included - I sometimes fresh kill for my Diamonds because they can be quite slow and fussy... I have always been careful and never left them unsupervised while eating fresh kill, but I will not be forgetting that image and I agree with Jen - nothing comes back from cervical dislocation.
I changed over to gas, for this very reason, but even then, I've seen rats recover, but I always supervised thus I avoided an incident.
There is nothing wrong with fresh kill if it is done correctly.. I know I prefer to eat fresh food over frozen!
agreed, as long as people don't get complacent, there's no need to call out for not fresh kill feeding (as has been seen in multiple posts)
there is need however to reinforce people taking care.
