the JAG/RPM morph neurological issues.

[giggle]

This is a relevant issue that no one speaks of and the issues are unsearchable! I had no idea the morph had issues and when I did a google search, no results came up... but to have done a google search in the first place on JAG (or RPM) and neurological issues I would first have had to know about those issues.

I rather liked the look of the JAG morph and would have innocently purchased one in the future without knowing I could be purchasing an animal with a Neurological problem. Those that are new to the hobby have no idea.

I would like to see this issue not swept under the carpet and I would love to see mods put up a sticky on the actual facts behind the jag/rpm neurological issues.

Im not wanting to open up debate here, Its pretty simple... people need to be informed in an orderly fashion.
I am just disturbed that the issue is swept under the carpet. No pun intended.

 

[byron_moses]

these issues have been addressed and to many people turn it into a debate it is spoken of alot just not on a public forum

 

[giggle]

What about new people into the hobby? I had contacted a few people over the last few months regarding their jag or rpm ads and not one mentioned neurological issues. Had I gone through with purchasing any of them I wouldn't have known until something happened. I think its fair enough that people are informed, I guess if the forum doesn't want to help out I will try to do the research myself and put up a public website so people can be informed :|

 

[Elite_Reptiles]

Go through a reputable breeder and you won't have to worry about this issue. Reputable breeders have guarantees on their animals...

Contact Barramundi, Colin, myself or byron_moses. If we don't have any available, we will recommend you to someone
that does have them.

 

[ShaunMorelia]

being "relatively new" in Australian licenced collections, there hasn't been much talk of it on public forums about it.
there are a few overseas forums that discuss this topic. I would post a link to a few but they would be deleted pretty quickly as its against the forum rules.

 

[ShaunMorelia]

Go through a reputable breeder and you won't have to worry about this issue. Reputable breeders have guarantees on their animals...

Can you explain in further detail "guarantees" and to what limit that they apply.

Cheers.

 

[giggle]

Go through a reputable breeder and you won't have to worry about this issue. Reputable breeders have guarantees on their animals...

Contact Barramundi, Colin, myself or byron_moses. If we don't have any available, we will recommend you to someone
that does have them.

Hey jungleman... this is a very good point But people coming into the hobby don't know about the issue in the first place to be able to ask about guarantees etc. Its hard to find a reputable breeder when you dont even know what issues in the snakes you need to be looking for or getting guarantees for. Information is good for everyone involved

 

[Australis]

Interestingly inexperienced (compared to USA, Europe/ UK) jag breeders in Australia claim its 10% or less that have the neurological problems, and that it we could breed it out with our richer gene-pool.

Then look overseas, and experienced jag breeders are saying its as high as 80% have neuro problems, if not all! and further still concede its impossible to breed out!

If it wasnt so disturbing - it would be hilarious.

 

[pythons73]

Alot of the people who have breed these,apparently its around 10%,so its 1 in every 10hatchies..As long as the breeder has told the respected buyer about the nuero problems,which it may-may not get..Stress has a factor in these snakes.Most breeders have quaranteed if the buyer buys one and it develops these nuero problems they will get a refund..BUT there is some that WONT as the buyer knows the risk...As Jungleman said-REPUTABLE BREEDER and you wont have any problems....The majority of the time with these once there born,you can usually see-tell straight away or within a week or so if theres any nuero issues,however some may not for 6-12-18months down the track...

 

[scorps]

Im sorry mate but reputable breeders have neurological Illues, Simon Stone (one of the original australian breeders) openly admits to it (this isnt slander and nothign against simon as its what he has said) I think its a good thing breeders like him will admit to it


I am very interested in these guarantees, as alot of jags wont show signs until there older.

So if I buy a jag off you then after 2 years it has a bad issue I cant fix? what happens?

Will I get the money I payed for it 2 years ago?

including the food, heating, labour looking after it?

Will you replace it with a random 2 year old jag I dont know nothign about?


People need to face the facts with jags, they have heaps of problems and this thread or another write up needs to be made a sticky

 

[Jay84]

Personally i think it has been adressed quite alot in recent threads and the majority of people should be aware.

When i first knew about JAGS being available in Australia i did a quick google search and soon found info on many sites about the neuro issues.

 

[Jay84]

I dont know how these guarantees are going to work. I think that nicole has the best approach to this.

Cust will be made aware of the possible neuro issues. You buy it, you are fully aware, if the individual develops neuro issues then it was your decision to take that chance. I dont think buyers should be refunding buyers. Make the buyer aware of the possibilities.... it is then the buyers choice whether to go ahead with the sale.

 

[CarpetPythons.com.au]

You can't guarantee anything about them. I would love to see some of the above breeders exchange snakes or fork out money for 3 or 4 year old animals that started to show neurological issues. What a laugh. It has nothing to do with reputable breeders as the Jaguar mutation does not discriminate between reputable and non reputable breeders. There is no way to assess if an animal will have neurological issues or not. We have not seen any of our snakes act differently but we are preparing ourself for when and if the condition presents itself.
We don't have to sell any of the ones that we breed if we feel that a buyer is not up to the responsibility of owning a Jaguar/RPM.

It is really up to the buyer to be prepared for what might happen and the breeder to inform the buyer of the possible condition.

 

[Jay84]

You can't guarantee anything about them. I would love to see some of the above breeders exchange snakes or fork out money for 3 or 4 year old animals that started to show neurological issues. What a laugh. It has nothing to do with reputable breeders as the Jaguar mutation does not discriminate between reputable and non reputable breeders. There is no way to assess if an animal will have neurological issues or not. We have not seen any of our snakes act differently but we are preparing ourself for when and if the condition presents itself.
We don't have to sell any of the ones that we breed if we feel that a buyer is not up to the responsibility of owning a Jaguar/RPM.

It is really up to the buyer to be prepared for what might happen and the breeder to inform the buyer of the possible condition.

Agreed!

 

[Jay84]

Not ''buyer beware'' .... but ''buyer BE aware''

 

[ShaunMorelia]

You can't guarantee anything about them. I would love to see some of the above breeders exchange snakes or fork out money for 3 or 4 year old animals that started to show neurological issues. What a laugh. It has nothing to do with reputable breeders as the Jaguar mutation does not discriminate between reputable and non reputable breeders. There is no way to assess if an animal will have neurological issues or not. We have not seen any of our snakes act differently but we are preparing ourself for when and if the condition presents itself.
We don't have to sell any of the ones that we breed if we feel that a buyer is not up to the responsibility of owning a Jaguar/RPM.

It is really up to the buyer to be prepared for what might happen and the breeder to inform the buyer of the possible condition.

Couldn't agree more. This is the same apporch we'll be taking.

 

[Bob2]

I think the buyer should be made aware if they are not already, then it is their problem. If you want to buy an animal that has a reasonable chance of being affected by this issue then thats your bad luck.
Search youtube for videos on the condition then decide if you still want to take the chance.
I for 1, wont be grabbing 1. I dont have the stomach for it.
Each to their own I guess. Hopefully these issues can be bred out and there is a lot more success here.
There seems to be a lot of experienced and knowledgable breeders working with them, a lot of whom, are quite open with their results so it will be interesting to watch over the years.
Good luck.

 

[jahan]

Has anyone stopped to think what is going to happen when jags are bred in numbers and start being sold in pet stores?

 

[FusionMorelia]

if ya buy a designer snake you take a risk simple as that as long as the breeder advises that some animals (not all) may develop neuro issues, then buy at own risk.
my personal belief is that if you cant use google/aps search effectively enough to gain basic information of these issues then u shouldn't have one.

 

[Waterrat]

Giggle, your concerns are about new people to the hobby may not be aware of this condition. I thing jags are hardly snakes that would be acquired by inexperienced newbies. They're not the cheapest either.
Anyone wanting to get any new species should research thoroughly all there is to research before buying. Just my opinion.