breeding rats

[GreenWillow]

What can I say, clearly you are more intelligent, more educated and much better versed in argument technique than me.

 

[Ashleigh:]]

Python gal, you stated that you made your snake starve for a whole month..
WOW! they can go much longer without food! Leave it for 2 months and then try with a really smelly rat, im sure it would work if you were persistent! And if not.. Leave it even longer!!

And yer im not very experienced at all, but think about it, would you like to be chucked in a freezer room and freeze to death?? and suffer for hours on end??
Or would you prefer to be quickly hit over the head and not suffer at all??

I think freezing is just plainly heartless!

 

[Python Gal]

coz it takes longer for an older rat to fall asleep!!!! whereas a da old pinky only takes 20 minutes.

 

[Ramsayi]

coz it takes longer for an older rat to fall asleep!!!! whereas a da old pinky only takes 20 minutes.

If you are going to use that argument why dont you word it correctly?

It should read like this.......coz it takes longer for an older rat to FREEZE TO DEATH!!!! whereas a da old pinky only takes 20 minutes

 

[GreenWillow]

I can't help it. Your reasoning just makes such poor sense that I can't not respond. So, freezing to death over a twenty minute period is okay?

There are kinder ways of killing a critter than freezing it. Therefore two minutes, twenty minutes, or longer is an unnecessarily cruel length of time, and unacceptable.

 

[hugsta]

Actually they die much faster than 20 minutes in a freezer.

 

[GreenWillow]

Actually they die much faster than 20 minutes in a freezer.

I was merely quoting the time Python_gal gave us as she knows more about freezing rats than I do.

 

[Python Gal]

I have never found 2 snakes that are the same!! as for Ashleigh:] like you said you have no experience, and do you think that a snake that has been fed nothing but live food for 4 years of its life is gunna turn around and eat dead?!? Well pinkies dont suffer for hours on end!!!! if you read what i said earlier its only 20 mins, and they fall asleep!!! Ashleigh i thought you said you couldnt hit an animal over the head, as you said in one of your threads?!?! So why recommend it to me???

ramsayi: your twisting my words round?? they (PINKIES) fall asleep, coz they get short of breath. i have never frozen an adult and never will (coz it wouldnt fall asleep) or even "die"!! thats why i buy my adult rats already frozen off anther breeder!!! Maybe you should read my threads properly, before you make accusations?!!

 

[Ramsayi]

sorry python gal but it is you twisting words to justify your lame argument.They do not fall asleep they FREEZE TO DEATH.You might be able to lie to yourself to justify your cruel attitude towards a living thing but dont lie to the rest of us.

 

[Ashleigh:]]

I have never found 2 snakes that are the same!! as for Ashleigh:] like you said you have no experience, and do you think that a snake that has been fed nothing but live food for 4 years of its life is gunna turn around and eat dead?!? Well pinkies dont suffer for hours on end!!!! if you read what i said earlier its only 20 mins, and they fall asleep!!! Ashleigh i thought you said you couldnt hit an animal over the head, as you said in one of your threads?!?! So why recommend it to me???

ramsayi: your twisting my words round?? they (PINKIES) fall asleep, coz they get short of breath. i have never frozen an adult and never will (coz it wouldnt fall asleep) or even "die"!! thats why i buy my adult rats already frozen off anther breeder!!! Maybe you should read my threads properly, before you make accusations?!!

I didnt say I had no experience, im not as bad as a 4yo.. LOL But yer im no where near as experience as GreenWillow or Melgalea!
And yer, I myself couldnt knock something over the head as I have a soft spot for most animals, although if I was to kill a rat and I had to do it, I would gas it..
And so what if its less than 20 minutes or more..
Think about it as if it was you.. Dont be so damn selfish.. How would you like it??

 

[Ashleigh:]]

sorry python gal but it is you twisting words to justify your lame argument.They do not fall asleep they FREEZE TO DEATH.You might be able to lie to yourself to justify your cruel attitude towards a living thing but dont lie to the rest of us.

Very well put, exacly right!

 

[Earthling]

I knew a guy that swore by the get a pin and shove it through the skull and mash their brain with it method......sounds sort of fun too........ for the masocist.........CO2 for me, then the pin gig if still pumping blood.
Their skull is soft when young and the pin doesnt make as much mess as the bang the head on the hard object job......

But the pin job worked and was quick so I spose not a bad death.....

"If i was a rat how would i like to die?" .........................this is the question to ask yourself before you start killing.

Buy hey...if you dont give a toss about anything but yourself, dont ask that question and try to find a true answer but instead, proceed to kill anyway you like.

 

[hugsta]

Actually the rats would probably die of hypothermia before they froze to death. Much like people would. You would be unconscious before you froze IMO.

 

[Python Gal]

hugsta, just to clarify and shut every one up, how long does it take for a PINKIE to fall asleep? I have seen when i open the freezer after 20 minutes that its lifeless....

So greenwillow, you agree with hugsta? how would you know if you havent frozen a rat, as you say it is cruel, so unless someone has told you, you wouldnt know from experience? i dont understand? your telling me its wrong, but yet you are backing up what hugsta said??

how many times do i have to say it "STICKS AND STONES" and "WATER OFF A DUCKS BACK"...

 

[Australis]

Intresting thread indeed, a few of you might not know, but brick walls dont have ears
look for yourself!!!

Also, if Python care, and humane rodent killing isnt working out for you, like others have already suggested "pet rocks" might be a easier option?

 

[Ashleigh:]]

hugsta, just to clarify and shut every one up, how long does it take for a PINKIE to fall asleep? I have seen when i open the freezer after 20 minutes that its lifeless....

So greenwillow, you agree with hugsta? how would you know if you havent frozen a rat, as you say it is cruel, so unless someone has told you, you wouldnt know from experience? i dont understand? your telling me its wrong, but yet you are backing up what hugsta said??

how many times do i have to say it "STICKS AND STONES" and "WATER OFF A DUCKS BACK"...

Still.. No matter how long it takes and whether they do fall asleep before they freeze.. How would you like it??

Just answer oen question for me python gal.. How would you prefer to die??

 

[Earthling]

I must say hypothermia would be in my top 3 ways to die........sounds like fun...................................




NOT.

 

[hugsta]

Not entering this debate here, but it takes much longer fo a pinkie to be gassed IME than it does to be frozen. So what's worse? Starving them of oxygen or freezing them or feeding them alive or smashing them aganst one of those pretty rocks that australis posted?

No one way sems particularly pleasent to me.

 

[Python Gal]

ok if its gunna shut everyone (and their useless remarks) up then i'll try what earthling said and i'll put a pin through its head... Is everyone happy now?!?! (not that i care)

as for me thinking like and being a rat; If someone where to freeze me, i dont think i would have a choice as to whether or not thats what i want!! It was gunna happen whether i liked it or not!!

How come its ok for scientists to use rats as 'guinea pigs', and they end up with growths out the side of them, and discomfort whilst being kept in a small tub and needles being shoved into them all day, till they die or are killed?!?! How do you justify that??? At least mine go up to ratty heaven... you seem to like rocks so much, you should take it up...

 

[GreenWillow]

So greenwillow, you agree with hugsta? how would you know if you havent frozen a rat, as you say it is cruel, so unless someone has told you, you wouldnt know from experience? i dont understand? your telling me its wrong, but yet you are backing up what hugsta said??

Do you actually read what anyone writes, or just scan for a few key words then make up your own version with those?? Or perhaps you have mistaken my post for someone elses?

Next, where, in anything I have said, am I backing up what Hugsta wrote? If you actually READ and COMPREHENDED what I wrote you would realise that I was actually defering to your much greater experience and intellect.

The rest of what you say/ask I can not even respond to. It makes no sense what so ever. NO sense. I have been sitting here for ever such a long time trying to unravel it and the best I can come up with is,
1. GreenWillow does not freeze rats as she believes it to be cruel
2. GreenWillow believes this to be cruel as somebody told her this is so
3. GreenWillow does not know from direct experience that killing rats by freezing them is cruel.

Well, yes!

So what exactly are you trying to say???