Ban the deed not the breed!!

[Defective]

respect the dogs breed and its natural capabilities and instinct...as soon as you lose that respect you get bitten

 

[coastalboy]

LOL you's all make me laugh and yer i am like hitler!!!! those dogs need to die! and they will band them............. then i will laugh out loud at everyone who has one!!! HAHAHAHA.

 

[Defective]

take a look at your sig coastalboy.... you don't have the key to the lock!!!!

 

[kawasakirider]

i must say, i love bullterriers; their nature in general but again they are in that sterotyped box as dangerous...i can understand it because pitties and bullies are bred for fighting and their jaws lock so they can shake and pull on whatever they have hold of, when my step mum told me to hit 'daisy' the family bullie with a lump of wood if she jumped on the couch, i refused. i use to sneak her up onto the couch in the mornings.

a dogs social behaviour is not only about how its bred (parents etc) but also how its treated as a pup, a traumatic experience for it like being kicked, things hitting it other than a hand, exposure to rough handling (not playwrestling) can be detrimental to the pup. so if we are to lay a blame....lay it on the owners!

No dogs jaw locks, it's a myth. Coastalboy, you are a sick person, very cruel. You should be ashamed of yourself, you don't deserve to own any animal with your attitude.

 

[Mace699]

you are exactly right, the owners are also to blame, but blaming the owners wont solve these problems. Harsh penalties will not stop idiots from bringing up their dogs in a stupid way. We dont trust the general public with guns so why should we trust them with a breed of dog that has shown to kill time and time again. The fact that most individual pitbulls arnt aggresive means nothing, most guns dont kill people either.

mate comparing a pitbull to a gun is stupid. Lets be realistic by that comparison that means elapids, all dogs, and any other item or animal that has the potential to kill should be put under this analogy hell electricity kills more people than dogs do should we ban power as well at the same time.

LOL you's all make me laugh and yer i am like hitler!!!! those dogs need to die! and they will band them............. then i will laugh out loud at everyone who has one!!! HAHAHAHA.

Firstly Mate, learn to spell. Secondly if you have no genuine reason to be a hater other than you're loving the reaction you are getting why bother contributing. The word Troll comes to mind when I think of you. But if you really are that ignorant can you please justify your comments "those dogs need to die! and they will band them" with some solid reasoning other than daddy got bit so they must die? the word is spelt banned by the way.

 

[kawasakirider]

Actually, in the context he was using, he should have said "ban", banned is past tense. Just goes to show what an imbecile he actually is.

 

[grimbeny]

mate comparing a pitbull to a gun is stupid. Lets be realistic by that comparison that means elapids, all dogs, and any other item or animal that has the potential to kill should be put under this analogy hell electricity kills more people than dogs do should we ban power as well at the same time.

Firstly elapid ownership is monitored. If dangerous dogs were monitored in a similar fashion I would be happy with that. Secondly electricity has a clear functional purpose in society. There are clear social benefits to having electricity widely accesible in society. Dangerous dogs however serve little purpose, the benefit of their ownership is limited.

 

[alrightknight]

LOL you's all make me laugh and yer i am like hitler!!!! those dogs need to die! and they will band them............. then i will laugh out loud at everyone who has one!!! HAHAHAHA.

Dogs arent particularly good at manipulating instruments, so they would be no good in a band.

I like the idea that dogs should be on a licensing system, of course it wont stop people but its a start.

Basic license could by a one time fee which includes most small dogs medium dogs and some of the more family orienated large dogs (labs etc)

and advanced license could be used for dogs that have the "power" to do alot of damage if incorrectly trained. to obtain such license you must have proven you are a responsible dog owner who has the knowledge and dedication to own and train these dogs.

The only problem with this is the fact there is so many X breeds making it nearly impossible to regulate what dog belong on what lists. and people will just do the old "not register there dog trick".

 

[Smithers]

How about just some facts hey....

I won't get into the whole pitbull arguments having owned one in the past....

Page 14 may be of interest to people
http://www.dlg.nsw.gov.au/dlg/dlghome/documents/Information/Council Reports of Dog Attacks in NSW 2005-06 - 2009-10.pdf

Page 7 on this one
http://www.dlg.nsw.gov.au/dlg/dlghome/documents/Information/Dog Attack Report July 2004 - June 2005.pdf

Cheers

Good one Red-Ink Interesting how the month of August had the highest rate of attacks,...they either have the wind up their tails or they are sick of Winter and are up for some carnage.

 

[Mace699]

Actually, in the context he was using, he should have said "ban", banned is past tense. Just goes to show what an imbecile he actually is.

touche haha

 

[Schnecke]

Dogs arent particularly good at manipulating instruments, so they would be no good in a band.

Damnit! You beat me to it!! (lolz)

 

[Frosty]

My boy goes alright on Guitar Hero.
Big bad Pittie.
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[mysnakesau]

Haha I was waiting for someone to pick up on the spelling "band". hehehe

 

[Boidae]

LOL you's all make me laugh and yer i am like hitler!!!! those dogs need to die! and they will band them............. then i will laugh out loud at everyone who has one!!! HAHAHAHA.

 

[KaotikJezta]

Sorry kaotikjezta

I just got what you meant about the population of pit bulls not being accurately represented due to people not registering them. This is unfortunate, but without an accurate gauge on just how many unregistered dogs there are out there working with registered dogs is probably the only accurate way that data can be compiled. Also, what about the people who misrepresent their pit bulls as staffordshire terriers etc? On one hand this may take away from the total number of pit bulls, thus making their per capita attacks higher (assuming all dogs misclassified did not cause attacks), or alternately, if pit bulls are indeed responsible for more attacks per capita (and the misclassified dogs attacked some one), it could be harming the staffordshire terrier's per capita attack rate.

There are also cases where councils have seized dogs that are not pit bulls and when the owner has gone to retrieve the dog the councils vet has declared them pit bulls, even though the owner has papers for the dog proving the breed. There was a case in Victoria where the persons dog was impounded for 5 years while they went through court to get it back. When it was returned to them it was an an unhealthy nervous wreck. That's the problem, it is not only owners misrepresenting there dogs, it is places like the Lost Dogs Home misrepresenting seized dogs. There is also the problem as stated several times above of dogs being sold to people as pit bulls when they don't have any pit bull in the them at all. The owner then goes round proudly declaring they have a pit bull when they clearly don't, that dog attacks someone and is seized and the media gets to say it ws a pit bull. As a matter of interest, American and Australian Bulldogs are the most common breed used to hide the fact that your dog is a pitbull as Staffies look nothing like them.

i must say, i love bullterriers; their nature in general but again they are in that sterotyped box as dangerous...i can understand it because pitties and bullies are bred for fighting and their jaws lock so they can shake and pull on whatever they have hold of, when my step mum told me to hit 'daisy' the family bullie with a lump of wood if she jumped on the couch, i refused. i use to sneak her up onto the couch in the mornings.

a dogs social behaviour is not only about how its bred (parents etc) but also how its treated as a pup, a traumatic experience for it like being kicked, things hitting it other than a hand, exposure to rough handling (not playwrestling) can be detrimental to the pup. so if we are to lay a blame....lay it on the owners!

No dogs jaws lock, refer to the link a few posts back, it is anatomically impossible.

It might make some of these low socio-economic tools think twice about getting a so called "tough dog" because in the end it would be all to hard (and expensive).

And that is just snobbery

Sorry for the long reply, haven't been here all day.

 

[phantomreptiles]

(((but the worst breeds to deal with are shar peis and akitias, they are extremely aggressive to both animals and humans, but they are not in the news, as pitbulls sound much better media wise)))

Have you ever kept a Shar Pei? Ours was 18.5 years old when we put him down two months ago and the only thing he ever bit or attacked was his food and beef bones.
We've had English Bull Terriers, Kelpies, Cavaliers and Shar Peis - the kelpie was the worst for aggression and your statement is as ill-informed as what others are saying about your breed.

If you read post 34, I agreed it was wrong of me to say this, and it just shows how easy it is to condemn a breed. And wow 18.5yrs that's a great age! I can only hope my dog lives to that age.

To those that wished me luck in regards to my dog having her root canal done - she is back home, slightly groggy, but ok - apart from her mum now being very poor it was a long day

 

[hypochondroac]

I got to say i agree with alot of Snakehandlers points but that Table of breeds was pretty ridiculous. More than half of those breeds you'd be lucky to accurately spot in Australia full stop.

 

[Mace699]

Firstly elapid ownership is monitored. If dangerous dogs were monitored in a similar fashion I would be happy with that. Secondly electricity has a clear functional purpose in society. There are clear social benefits to having electricity widely accesible in society. Dangerous dogs however serve little purpose, the benefit of their ownership is limited.

cool so you understand my why i think your comment comparing dogs to guns is one that really silly. A well balanced and socialised dog is no threat. so the whole argument of banning a breed is silly i for one am for tougher regulation on dog ownership. I for one am in favor of destroying any animal that has proved it can't be trusted. I don't see any benefit of banning a breed as those that keep them for the wrong reasons will still continue to do so and flout the law, and i wouldn't be surprised if this increases the chances of an attack. Although there will now be no registered pit bulls the people keeping them illegally will keep doing the same thing breeding them for there aggressive traits and behaviors. where as if a higher price is charged on an acknowledged registered breed that has been selectively bred for a good temperament and disposition certain people may not be so enticed to buy animal.

 

[damian83]

I got attacked by a border collie once, should we put all of them down as well. My ex's mother had to save her neighbors kids from their own Rottie, should we put all them down. I used to get attacked everytime I walked down the street by a neighbours Jack Russell, better ban them now. Humans attack humans for no reason, maybe we should ban humans. When does this end. I have had 2 pittbulls one cross and one pure and they were both the best dogs ever.The only time either of them ever got narky with anyone or other animal was when a little girl shoved a burning stick in his face, then he only barked at her. He used to chase roos and wallabies until he caught up to them and then watch them hop away, he was friends with my cockateil for gods sakes.

if were gonna keep going on about pittys being put down why dont we put down any that have been know to be an agressive dog, why stop there, dingos, hang on dont snakes bite people??? should they be put down??? , next time pub brawls start why dont we put the bloke down who started the fight...... the ones that are agressive are the ones mis treated, in anytype of dog, my bro got a staffie cross that was abused and was nearly put down as it was agro but now a year on its a baby, sleep on his lap in the ute not on the back and "loves" kids...
people that put the blame on the species of dog are just as bad as the owners of the dangerous dogs...... have no common sence

cool so you understand my why i think your comment comparing dogs to guns is one that really silly. A well balanced and socialised dog is no threat. so the whole argument of banning a breed is silly i for one am for tougher regulation on dog ownership. I for one am in favor of destroying any animal that has proved it can't be trusted. I don't see any benefit of banning a breed as those that keep them for the wrong reasons will still continue to do so and flout the law, and i wouldn't be surprised if this increases the chances of an attack. Although there will now be no registered pit bulls the people keeping them illegally will keep doing the same thing breeding them for there aggressive traits and behaviors. where as if a higher price is charged on an acknowledged registered breed that has been selectively bred for a good temperament and disposition certain people may not be so enticed to buy animal.

good idea to ban and make it more expensive so only the rich idiots can afford them???

 

[grimbeny]

cool so you understand my why i think your comment comparing dogs to guns is one that really silly. A well balanced and socialised dog is no threat. so the whole argument of banning a breed is silly i for one am for tougher regulation on dog ownership. I for one am in favor of destroying any animal that has proved it can't be trusted. I don't see any benefit of banning a breed as those that keep them for the wrong reasons will still continue to do so and flout the law, and i wouldn't be surprised if this increases the chances of an attack. Although there will now be no registered pit bulls the people keeping them illegally will keep doing the same thing breeding them for there aggressive traits and behaviors. where as if a higher price is charged on an acknowledged registered breed that has been selectively bred for a good temperament and disposition certain people may not be so enticed to buy animal.

Then you obviously dont understand my point. A well balanced and looked after gun wont cause anyone any harm, its when the gun is put in a good for nothing home that things turn sour.

We know we can treat this breed and its crosses seperately because it has a proven track record for fatal attacks. I am all for highly managing these animals but I dont know if that sort of government input is a viable option.