free handling elapids

[Bax155]

Some people have questioned why I said I respect the people that free handle vens and the reason I do is it clearly takes a great deal of skill and knowledge in the vens they are handling, I cant see why people are so against the practise, for gods sake we live in a Australia guys, we have most of the top 10 deadliest snakes in the world so of course your going to have people that handle these vens and good on em if thats what they wanna do well so be it, I think they know the risks they are taking more then anyone else is and i cant see it giving the herp keeping community a bad rap, gee gun owners still have guns and millions of people have been killed at the hands of these, how many people have died from a ven owner irrasponsibly showing off his free handling skills?? To my knowledge Ive never seen a case of this on the news, yet everyday we here about someone being shot in the world, so dont think these guys free handling are an anyway putting our hobby in jeopardy there just doing something that they love to do!!

Cheers,
Baxter

 

[wranga]

i dont keep vens, and i really dont see why this showboating needs to be shown. this is one of the reasons why snakes have their bad name. you showboaters show young kids that they can pick hots up without being bitten. so out they go herping and bang their tagged, and another snake hyp cause another snake attacks a young kid walking through the bush. show some responsibility

 

[baxtor]

i dont keep vens, and i really dont see why this showboating needs to be shown. this is one of the reasons why snakes have their bad name. you showboaters show young kids that they can pick hots up without being bitten. so out they go herping and bang their tagged, and another snake hyp cause another snake attacks a young kid walking through the bush. show some responsibility

Do you have some evidence to back what you are saying? I must be living in a cave 'cause I missed all the fuss and hype you're talking about.
I do not know why anybody would worry about the subject in the first place. If you don't want to freehandle then don't do it but it's none of your business if somebody else does, simple as that.

 

[Bax155]

i dont keep vens, and i really dont see why this showboating needs to be shown. this is one of the reasons why snakes have their bad name. you showboaters show young kids that they can pick hots up without being bitten. so out they go herping and bang their tagged, and another snake hyp cause another snake attacks a young kid walking through the bush. show some responsibility

Why are we even letting kids pic up wild fauna its illegal, who cares if its a ven or harmless python or lizard, keep your distance and obserb and photograph, why would you even try and teach people the difference between a ven and something harmless we should be teaching to obserb not touch, and as for these guys so called showboating these vens are out of their personal collection there not just picking them up in the wild so how these stupid kids can think they can pick up a wild ven is just garbage and over exagerated hype and whos letting these kids herp unsupervised anyway??!! What ever happened to people taking responsibilty for there own actions? These guys free handling vens are not role models, they are keepers just like the rest of us with the difference being they love the rush of free handling vens, why knock something you clearly have no experience in??

 

[DanTheMan]

Too many mamby pamby do gooders in this world....

 

[Hooglabah]

i said earler in my post unless you have a sensible question dont post unless you actually keep elapids and or have extensive knoledge of them and this practice.
im not after opinions ive got a reason,now im enjoying pics of nice snakes dont ruin it keep your opinions to yourself thats not what the thread is about.

more pics im loveing it

 

[-Peter]

I agree with wranga. Showboaters, love it.

 

[eipper]

Hey Wranga,

So I suppose with all your experience, you could demostrate a method of handling venomous snakes that is perfectly safe....

As a mate of mine used to say "I can show you how to LOOK at a snake safely, This does not mean picking it up or whacking it with a stick"

Quite simply every method of handling elapids has apparent risks, be it tailing, hooking, pinning, hooping, put them into tubes, tonging, free handling or any number of those combined.

As for Herping, I have used all them above methods in the field (except for tongs) with various scientific research permits and have used the best method to suit at time.

As for Show Boating.....well every decent snake demo is part show, part education, if you keep the audience entertained you can get alot of good information to them that they require.

Cheers,
Scott Eipper

 

[redbellybite]

i dont keep vens, and i really dont see why this showboating needs to be shown. this is one of the reasons why snakes have their bad name. you showboaters show young kids that they can pick hots up without being bitten. so out they go herping and bang their tagged, and another snake hyp cause another snake attacks a young kid walking through the bush. show some responsibility

I find the complete opposite,especially on here if you suggest to take caution and dont touch and yarda yarda.. your considered to be all high n mighty and accusing them of having no commonsense and then in Scotts case he cops the same ... cant win situation ...fact is it can and has been done ,plenty of times ,but sometimes you pay the price that much is true ..BUT most recorded snake bites in AUSTRALIA arent due to as you said "showboating"BUT from accidental encounters AND hero's with a shovel .......

 

[wranga]

thats all good to all that like these experienced keepers showing that they can handle their hots without copping a hit. and those that think their kids are well superviced, i hope your right and they are. as are their friends that seen this site at your place and try and pick up one of these vens on their way home from your place.remember kids are bullet proof, think their 10ft tall, but lack the experience to do as they see that looks easy on this site

 

[JasonL]

You only have to turn on the TV to see someone free handling vens..though free handling vens is so 1990's, I saw some bloke on the telly free swimming with White Pointers and Tiger Sharks...so I'm off to Sydney Harbour to give it a go, looks like fun.

 

[wranga]

Hey Wranga,

So I suppose with all your experience, you could demostrate a method of handling venomous snakes that is perfectly safe....

As a mate of mine used to say "I can show you how to LOOK at a snake safely, This does not mean picking it up or whacking it with a stick"

Quite simply every method of handling elapids has apparent risks, be it tailing, hooking, pinning, hooping, put them into tubes, tonging, free handling or any number of those combined.

As for Herping, I have used all them above methods in the field (except for tongs) with various scientific research permits and have used the best method to suit at time.

As for Show Boating.....well every decent snake demo is part show, part education, if you keep the audience entertained you can get alot of good information to them that they require.

Cheers,
Scott Eipper

where did i say i did or could handle vens?? nor did i claim to be experienced with them. by the way i must of missed where in this thread it was shown how to safetly tail, hook, pin, or hoop. all as i said i think its not being a responsible experienced keeper showing vens being freehanded to young 10ft high bullet proof kids. i fail to see how you can claim that this thread is educating people on the safe handling. if this was a proper and full training course on the safe handling of venomous snakes you may then have a point. we cant swear or talk about porn in threads on this site because minors use this site. all as i askis that experienced keepers think before posting these pictures before they give some young person the wrong idea injuring theing and damaging this hobby.

 

[Hooglabah]

if your actually read the thread wranga initally i was looking for reasons why people free handle snakes wich i got several good answers to after i had infored all those like yourself im not interested in hearing from people who dont know a thing about elapid husbandry to be quite frank as far as the topic goes you are clueless you dont have elapids and you dont have any expiraince with such so please dont post.

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[moosenoose]

I admire the fact that it can be done... to "some" snakes... (and I've done the odd spot of it myself). It's not for me anymore, but boy do I love venomous snakes! Beautiful, spectacular, mesmerizing!! One of gods greatest creations! :twisted:

 

[Slateman]

don't start fights please.
Different people do have different opinions. That is no reason to push your own view strongly in public forum.
There is better way to make friends than argue.