Lifeless traumatised Beardie

[Snakeluvver2]

Far out. It's a kid they hardly know right from wrong, the truth from what they thought or what they want.
Leave him/her alone and just put a lock on the door problem solved.
For a bunch of adults a lot of you are acting like children.

Hopefully that beardy gets better.

 

[zacthefrog]

Far out. It's a kid they hardly know right from wrong, the truth from what they thought or what they want.
Leave him/her alone and just put a lock on the door problem solved.
For a bunch of adults a lot of you are acting like children.

Hopefully that beardy gets better.

I totally agree with you snakeluvver2

 

[Bluetongue1]

On re-reading this thread I would suspect that the bearded may well have taken water into its lungs - trying to breathe with water running over the top of it. I do not know what the appropriate treatment for that is, other than to keep it warm. Might be worth a phone enquiry to a reptile vet.

As for what happened - a lesson hard learned by all. I would imagine the parents now know not to make assumptions simply because their daughter is a good kid and "loves" the beardie. I would also imagine they know now that they need to put a child-proof lock on the cage. I would also imagine that the mother, once she took stock of the situation, extracted what useable information she could from the child. Mum's are usually pretty good at that.

Let's just hope it is not a literal case of killing it with kindness in an effort to help out.

Blue

 

[Chris1]

i have a beardy who got a tiny bit of fluid down the wrong hole a while ago, the next day he sounded rough as, gurgly and croaky and spluttery, im pretty sure if he had inhaled water there would be noises.
(larry has been on fortum for about 6 weeks in a super warm tank now and is almost better, so thats the treatment)

my vote would be it got dropped and or stepped on,...

nothing a 4 year old should be held responsible for ofcourse, but im sure she could fill in some blanks,....

 

[Just_Plain_Nuts]

Yeah it's funny some people's expectations of little children. The girl just turned 4 they are generally quite uncontrolable and unpredictable. No news i haven't spoken to them yet.

 

[Sezzzzzzzzz]

obviously people without kids j_p_n.

 

[Just_Plain_Nuts]

He is all well now, they consulted a reptile biologist who told them to give him shallow baths in a 50/50 mixture of pedialite electrolytics and water twice a day. This will flush his system and rehydrate him....interesting, apparently it gets absorbed through his skin and vents..

 

[Sezzzzzzzzz]

Thats great J_P_N.

 

[Chris1]

ahh, i love happy endings!

 

[Specks]

and people saying little kids dont know right from wrong, oh yes they do they choose to do wrong as they are not as capale of thinking of the consequences as well as we can, they live in the moment. i have learnt this with growing up with a much younger brother, cheeky bugger but gota love em

Good news to hear about the little beardie. my brother knows not to touch or open or do anything unless im there with him and tell him to do it, gota bit of logic that boy

 

[LizardLady]

He is all well now, they consulted a reptile biologist who told them to give him shallow baths in a 50/50 mixture of pedialite electrolytics and water twice a day. This will flush his system and rehydrate him....interesting, apparently it gets absorbed through his skin and vents..

Umm, that's great news, but... I hate to upset your apple-cart, but beardies are not like frogs - they do not have the biological make-up to absorb water through their skin or vent. The only way they absorb water via bathing is to physically drink it. My suggestion, to also diminish the stress factor, mix the Pedialyte and water, administer via syringe, dropping onto the nose so the dragon can lick it up...

Look forward to hearing the reports of continual improvement!

All the best,
Carolyn

 

[Renenet]

Look forward to hearing the reports of continual improvement!

Same here. Hope it continues to go well.

 

[notechistiger]

I was always told that reptiles can absorb water through their vent and that's why you give them a bath when they're dehydrated.

 

[Just_Plain_Nuts]

Umm, that's great news, but... I hate to upset your apple-cart, but beardies are not like frogs - they do not have the biological make-up to absorb water through their skin or vent. The only way they absorb water via bathing is to physically drink it. My suggestion, to also diminish the stress factor, mix the Pedialyte and water, administer via syringe, dropping onto the nose so the dragon can lick it up...

Look forward to hearing the reports of continual improvement!

All the best,
Carolyn

This was advice that a reptile biologist gave so i would assume they know their stuff. What Knowledge or qualifications do you have to the contrary?

 

[souldoubt]

Reptiles get rehydrated in water baths by drinking and absorbing it up their cloaca, however I'm certain that I was taught their scales are impermeable. So I'm a little uncertain of the skin absorption but I think the water bath will definitely help to hydrate him. It's too late for me to investigate the skin absorption abilities of reptiles so I'll just take the biologists word for it, at least until tomorrow when I do look into it further

 

[LizardLady]

Okay, firstly, I apologise - I got part of my post incorrect.

Elaborating on this, bearded dragons do not have the biological capacity to absorb water through their skin/scales (frogs absorb water through their skin). HOWEVER, and this is where my information is wrong, so I'm correcting it - they CAN absorb a "little amount through the cells in the cloaca". (from a specialised reptile vet, and also a biology professor)

So, in a nutshell, I apologise for the incorrect information I gave, and for upsetting those concerned. Hopefully now I've rectified this to a suitable degree!

Best,
Carolyn

 

[Nighthawk]

It's good to hear the little guy's getting better. The poor kid would've felt awful had she known the harm she was doing; I once 'washed the fishes' when I was aroung the age of two-three. Cried for two days when I found out that warm water and dish detergent killed them rather than cleaned them :?

 

[damian83]

This was advice that a reptile biologist gave so i would assume they know their stuff. What Knowledge or qualifications do you have to the contrary?

i know im no expert but when i bath my dragons with my kids in a warm bath my dragons absorb heaps of water till the can triple or quad their weight, can anyone explain this without them drinking?

 

[Bluetongue1]

i know im no expert but when i bath my dragons with my kids in a warm bath my dragons absorb heaps of water till the can triple or quad their weight, can anyone explain this without them drinking?

If you think about it, lizards living in dry areas or at dry times of the year would be highly vulnerable if to dehydration when basking if their skins were permeable to water. The structure of the skin and scales, with a continuous layer of thickened keratin would preclude water absorption unless there were pores present. I certainly have never heard of any skin pores in agamids.

Passive water uptake can occur through the absorption of water through the mucosa (internal lining) of the cloaca and latter portion of the rectum and actively through drinking. Many dragons will not drink standing water. They will however drink moving water or water splashed on their mouth region.

For a dragon to increase its weight times 3 after access to water, whether actively or passively taken in, it sounds like it was in a state of dehydration before hand. All I can suggest is to try the exercise again, using one hand to ensure that no water reaches the mouth area and determine the weight increase and the length of time of immersion. Please post or PM me the results as this really sparks my curiosity.

Blue

He is all well now...

That is great to know and the update is very much appreciated.

Blue

 

[Just_Plain_Nuts]

He is all well now, they consulted a reptile biologist who told them to give him shallow baths in a 50/50 mixture of pedialite electrolytics and water twice a day. This will flush his system and rehydrate him....interesting, apparently it gets absorbed through his skin and vents..

sorry edit not through skin just absorbed through vent.