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it will not change that statement is laughableAt the moment ,might change though
it will not change that statement is laughableAt the moment ,might change though
It really is. I have kept reptiles for 16 years now and have only bought one reptile from a pet store. That was 12 years ago. There will always be a demand for quality animals. Don't get me wrong there are quite a few speciality reptile shops here in the u.s aswell as Australia, but they are few and far inbetween. Pet shops are great for exposing newcomers to our hobby. But they will soon realize the worth of privet breeders.it will not change that statement is laughable
At the moment ,might change though
You all could creat the Australian version of USARK(United States Assoation of Reptile keepers). The AARK.I agree. Let's be honest, the government doesn't give 2 hoots about reptiles or their welfare all they care about is money. Imagine the revenue they will be making when they allow pet shops to start selling reptiles, not only will they be charging shops the exorbitant amount for the right to sell them but the influx of new licenses that will come from it.
As with all things regarding the government the ones who bring in the most revenue have the most sway, it will only be a matter of time before the pet shops start to see how much money they are losing to the private trade and start complaining and demanding.
I honestly can't understand why any avid reptile keeper would support the selling of reptiles in shops, we see enough exploitation of reptiles in the private trade yet alone on a commercial scale. Time for the government to grow a set and stop giving in to demands simply because it will produce revenue.
That is absolute rubbish. For a start off we are not allowed to sell advanced licence species in shops in Victoria and as it is a lot stricter when it comes to upgrading to advanced in NSW, I would say the same would apply there. It is also not common to find rarer basic licence species in shops here and if you do find them it is generally because the shop or someone that works there breeds them. There will always be a place for private breeders. I have bought way more animals from breeders than through the shop and as my collection is at the stage where I am after very specific thing s now, I am unlikely to find what I am looking for in a shop. Then there are the breeders that buy equipment and food off us and supply animals to us. It is cutting our own throats to try and get rid of private breeders.I agree. Let's be honest, the government doesn't give 2 hoots about reptiles or their welfare all they care about is money. Imagine the revenue they will be making when they allow pet shops to start selling reptiles, not only will they be charging shops the exorbitant amount for the right to sell them but the influx of new licenses that will come from it.
As with all things regarding the government the ones who bring in the most revenue have the most sway, it will only be a matter of time before the pet shops start to see how much money they are losing to the private trade and start complaining and demanding.
I honestly can't understand why any avid reptile keeper would support the selling of reptiles in shops, we see enough exploitation of reptiles in the private trade yet alone on a commercial scale. Time for the government to grow a set and stop giving in to demands simply because it will produce revenue.
That is absolute rubbish. For a start off we are not allowed to sell advanced licence species in shops in Victoria and as it is a lot stricter when it comes to upgrading to advanced in NSW, I would say the same would apply there. It is also not common to find rarer basic licence species in shops here and if you do find them it is generally because the shop or someone that works there breeds them. There will always be a place for private breeders. I have bought way more animals from breeders than through the shop and as my collection is at the stage where I am after very specific thing s now, I am unlikely to find what I am looking for in a shop.
Bingo! The more newbies that get lured in by the pet shops will eventually want "specific" reptiles they won't find in shops. Pet shops can and will help the hobby in Australia. As long as the government doesn't get involved?(don't quote me on that)There will always be a place for private breeders. I have bought way more animals from breeders than through the shop and as my collection is at the stage where I am after very specific thing s now, I am unlikely to find what I am looking for in a shop. Then there are the breeders that buy equipment and food off us and supply animals to us. It is cutting our own throats to try and get rid of private breeders.
Bingo! The more newbies that get lured in by the pet shops will eventually want "specific" reptiles they won't find in shops. Pet shops can and will help the hobby in Australia. As long as the government doesn't get involved?(don't quote me on that)
I used to live in NSW, I am well aware of the licencing laws there. Sorry used the I word again. Don't get crabby with me because I disagree with what you say. As stated, licencing is stricter in NSW for private keepers so it could be assumed it would be even worse for commercial entities. Try reading the post properly next time.The main reason advanced species can't be purchased in shops in Vic is so people are not able to sell vens and potentially put the public at risk, cannot see it being any different there so unless you actually have some insider information to the contrary your argument is null and void. It would also be unlikely that breeders with unique and expensive animals would sell to shops either so also unlikely that private breeders will be destroyed, on the contrary, it will be an avenue for selling common hard to move animals. Most people that are starting out with reptiles don't have any idea how to find breeders and it is better to buy from a shop with knowledgeable staff than buy of gumtree and get a neglected and possibly unhealthy animal. Attacking someone personally is always a great strategy when losing an argument.Sorry but what do VIC laws have to do with NSW? Our private licensing is completely different so what would make you assume that the commercial license would be the same?
Your remarks are filled with "I","I","I"...we aren't talking about you or the pet shop shop you work at we are talking about a brand new licensing system for a brand new sector of commercial selling.
As with all things regarding the government the ones who bring in the most revenue have the most sway, it will only be a matter of time before the pet shops start to see how much money they are losing to the private trade and start complaining and demanding.
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I used to live in NSW, I am well aware of the licencing laws there. Sorry used the I word again. Don't get crabby with me because I disagree with what you say. As stated, licencing is stricter in NSW for private keepers so it could be assumed it would be even worse for commercial entities. Try reading the post properly next time.The main reason advanced species can't be purchased in shops in Vic is so people are not able to sell vens and potentially put the public at risk, cannot see it being any different there so unless you actually have some insider information to the contrary your argument is null and void. It would also be unlikely that breeders with unique and expensive animals would sell to shops either so also unlikely that private breeders will be destroyed, on the contrary, it will be an avenue for selling common hard to move animals. Most people that are starting out with reptiles don't have any idea how to find breeders and it is better to buy from a shop with knowledgeable staff than buy of gumtree and get a neglected and possibly unhealthy animal. Attacking someone personally is always a great strategy when losing an argument.
why is it that the reptile hobby will be any different from dogs , cats birds , fish you name it , have pet shops demanded to outlaw your average dog breeder or any of those i named , come on people use some common sense
on the same point why will nsw be any different to QLD or VIC , private breeders there haven't faded away or had any breeding restrictions put in place just because the pet shops demanded it because they lost profit to them
i bet you lot believe the worlds coming to an end and 911 is all a big conspiracy![]()
no but you still haven't answered why it will be any different to QLD and VIC in regards to private breeders dying out and pet shops making demands and complainingAre cats, fish, dogs etc protected? I don't think they are mate.
As long as they are not a LISTED noxious species or on CITES they are completely legal
You seem to contradict yourself. So you believe NSW will follow similar laws to VIC right? I quote "it will be an avenue for selling common hard to move animals"(your own words) Please explain when animals like keelbacks,slatey greys,painted dragons,green tree snakes,mangrove monitors, mertens water monitors, hosmer's skinks etc became "common hard to move animals"? Perhaps you should have a look at the Amazing amazon website and see their current livestock for sale....Not a single one of those animals is not what I would call common. Do you personally know how often a young D. punctulata is meant to feed? Do you know the methods of enticing this species to eat for themselves or how to force feed? I doubt you do and I doubt the general public would be up to the task to try to perform these methods.
Do you know about the hosmer's communal living habits?
My point is that nobody knows as much about a species as a longtime keeper/breeder does. You can read all of the books and forum posts you like but it accounts for absolutely nothing compared to real life experience! So to sit there and try to tell someone like myself who has kept a few of these species that a cashier who has read a few paragraphs from books is as knowledgeable as a breeder is laughable. The hours that go in to some of the above species is astronomical as anyone who has worked with them will know.
But I'm sure you know all of the procedures that go along with all the above species since they can legally be sold commercially in your state
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Are cats, fish, dogs etc protected? I don't think they are mate.
As long as they are not a LISTED noxious species or on CITES they are completely legal
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