buck
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Hey guys, sorry it's been a long day and have only just got on to find further comments on this neuro debate which in-turn has been a really good read so far...
What I meant The_S_Word and giggle was more along the lines that breeders such as myself and the ones mentioned along with CarpetPythons.com.au and Jungle Freak that have made some valid points in this thread, are placing guarantees on their animals that they have not showed any signs of neuro symptons from the time of birth to months later when the hatching has fully developed and fed on it's own for x amount of months before being offered for sale (for those mentioned above or earlier, please correct me if i'm wrong).
Now if we forget the Jag or RPM for just a moment and think of a normal python, for arguments sake a jungle python, the same above is offered as a guarantee from good breeders on the health of the Jungle hatchie before being sold, this also goes with every breed of python (jags excluded). Of course a reputable breeder is not going to hand over this little Jungle that has been showing some signs of illness in fear of losing his or her good name in this industry, but more importantly the health of the snake being compromised even further by handing over the animal to someone that maybe inexperienced in caring for it further should the problem get worse. The same is said for any jags or rpms that are sold, we are handing over the hatchie to you and guaranting it's health to be 100% at the point of sale. But just like the Jungle, who says that the jungle won't show some sort of illness 12 months, 3 years or even 10 years down the track? I'm sure a lot of breeders will agree that they have bought a perfectly good snake at some point in their years of being in the hobby from a reputable breeder and some years later, the snake has gotten sick for what ever reason. That is the risk you take with any animal you purchase, as heart drenching it is and it has happened to me before, I don't go running back years later to the breeder yelling 'REFUND'...
Other than this, I hope this thread keeps going and we can exchange some mature, constructive comments and ideas in helping this popular morph become even bigger, better and healthier in Australia for new and existing enthusiasts alike.
How can you say the hatchie is 100% healthy at the time of sale when it is carrying a gene that is known to produce neuro problems? I think it is very misleading to say that to a potential buyer. Why couldn't you just be upfront and let them know that it hasn't shown any signs yet, but statistically it more than likely will at some point in it's life? The link posted earlier in this thread has some posts from keepers in the US who have been working with these animals for far longer than anyone over here. I would be more inclined to listen to their stats then from the small sample over here.
I think this is the problem we are having here at the moment. There has been so much dishonesty to begin with that most people don't understand that the "RPM's" are even Jags, let alone the health issues that come with the morph. Breeders telling people they are hopeful of breeding the neuro gene out are kidding themselves. As stated earlier in this thread, these animals have been crossed over everything thousands of times overseas and they still can't seperate the neuro gene from the Jag gene.
People need to be made aware of the ugly side to this beautiful morph. Only then can informed decisions be made. And still then some might not be able to make up their mind. Unfortunately this is where I fit in. I have a ripper RP jungle girl and I keep thinking what she would produce with a nice Jag. Unfortunately I am struggling getting my head around the ethical/moral side of Jags.