What exactly is a Jag?

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  1. That is correct, the mutation first occured in one of the offspring of the original pairing.
     
  2. hugsta

    hugsta Almost Legendary

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    Actually, the original pairing was an IJ with a mcdowelli. there was a lot of debate about this at the time, but I am pretty sure it was Nick Mutton who confirmed this as he was good friends with Eric. I can't remember why he said it was a pure pair, there was a reason for it, but it came out later that they were an IJ and a mcdowelli.
     
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    Just anuva day at the office............think i better save this on me pc cause it guna take a while to sink in...lol...Thanks Col
     
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    ChargerWA Not so new Member

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    Ha, it's quite amazing that this topic causes such angst. As a newbie I just don't get the fuss.

    Anyway, great question OP, I have wondered this too.
     
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    is it possible for the mutation to come about due to the lack of genetic diversity in Australian species being exported?
    it's funny producing mutations of a protected species is illegal in qld yet people are still doing it
     
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    thanks for correcting me mate.....

    i hate giving out wrong information (my bad)

    cheers shaun

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    if that were the case,then would there not be MORE frequently occuring Morphs/mutations turning up,as the lines get more and more inbred ?

    hope that makes sense,it's 3:20am over here

    cheers shaun
     
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  7. No, inbreeding or lack of genetic diversity does not cause mutations. In addition to this the genetic diversity of overseas carpet populations would be much greater then most people think.
     
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    it sure is mate

    you would be surprized at how much new Morelia,keeps magically appearing in Europe :D

    cheers shaun

    p.s.we're still waiting on some bloodlines as nice as, the Ozzy Hypo Coastals and Hypo Bredl appearing though
     
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    I'm sure this has been brought up before, but as mentioned above, I think the reason Jan Eric stated that his jags were a result of two coastals (mcdowelli) was that he was only licenced (in Norway?) to have mcdowelli and didn't want to get into trouble with authorities for having species that he wasn't licenced for........sorry to drag up this old thread but I wanted anotherlook at the photo of that jag that I scored....for freee.... they can be the best types...
    Oh well, one year in quarantine and maybe I can breed him......
    Please correct me if I'm wrong..........
     
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    Hay mcbuggsy I want a hatchie from that amazing jag!!!
     
  11. shaunyboy

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    thanks for the information mate.....

    it makes perfect sense as Norway has very strict laws on snakes

    so the jag Morph could well be an Irian Jaya mutation as opposed to a Coastal Morph,which most people thinks it is

    my thanks to everyone,who posted info on the jag morph and Jan

    cheers shaun
     
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    Next Hamm expo Shaun... the Black Van on the back carpark the one under the broken lamp. See the bloke there he should be able to sort you out.
     
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    Nick Mutton was speculating that it was from IJ to Coastal pairing. He has since changed his mind and is now selling pure coastal jaguar pythons( from original pairing of coastal to coastal by Jan Eric Engel.

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    There was no friendship between those two individuals.
     
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    From day 1 I was positive IJ was in the mix
    I was also sure in my guts the neuro came from the IJ side
    Every time I mentioned it I was slam dunked from all sides
    Quite interesting bits coming out now
     
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    I would love to hear some actual evidence from both sides instead of hearsay rubbish.
     
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    Jan Engels wrote a paper on jags several years ago
    But it was written several years after the jags were released for sale
    He is the only one who knows the truth
    Exactly how much of what he said is the truth is open to conjecture in my opinion

    That paper is readily available on the web in many sites
     
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    Does anyone know how big a jag sib will get? will they get as big and thick as a normal jag or because they don't have that gene will they be smaller thanks
     
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    Same species, same size. Genes don't make a difference.
     
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