Diamond jungle mutts

[Fossilman]

In your opinion they 'become nice' - If that is so, why would you photoshop the pics?
When you compare these animals to a true Palmerston Jungle or a Gosford Diamond - 'nice' just doesnt really cut it sorry, your thread title sums it up nicely.

Thats a bit harsh isnt it, those snakes IMO are very good looking, its the best of both worlds. Just because you dont like crosses doesnt mean you have to say that "nice doesnt cut it" .

They are great looking snakes

 

[Southside Morelia]

He's overseas for God's sake, don't flame him for showing an animal we all keep....that is a snake, for the dummies that are going to say we don't have x's Blah Blah Blah...
Grow up, we know your opinions you goody two shoes! Just because the majority of us don't want to have x's/hybribs, doesn't give you the right to have a go at someone that is legally breeding these animals OS. Like said previously, there are some amazing looking animals OS and a credit to the people that are putting in the hard task of line breeding certain traits to get a desired animal, not unlike us, only difference we have the LUXURY of having pure bred specimens, they don't!
The reputation of ill informed ignorant attitudes of some Aussie Herpers, is what is making some people and this site a bit of a laughing stock on Overseas forums. It's our ignorance in appreciating these animals for what they are and the effort some people have gone to to get a desired look, maybe what alot us don't like, but hey he is an overseas guest, like it or don't post!
My 2 cents... sometimes you can learn from people, even though you may disagree.

 

[Southside Morelia]

I absolutely disagree with cross breeding. I think that the diamond x jungle shown is butt ugly and no where near as nice as a pure form. Why try to be mother nature by creating what is effectively a new species. As stated in the title they are just mutts.

Who really cares what you think! The thread was someone "OVERSEAS" showing his animal....I really don't understand why people keep regurgitating this and preaching their high moral standings on this issue which at the end of the day, we all understand and accept as the right way to go, why do you bag the out of anyone who brings it up this subject matter in an supposibly Adult and Educated Forum, mate it's all been said before, DONE TO DEATH, you aren't going to get any more browny points from anyone by saying it!!!
OK, i'll give you one..good on you mate for saying their mutts...does that make you feel better, tough, come on...appreciate the thread for what it is!

 

[Bugsy]

I feel that if this issue was tackled properly and controlled it could be a good thing for the reptile market, i wudnt mind owning a jungle X diamond...but at the same time, knowing what damage these can do in the wild to our pure bloodlines...i wudnt own one for the simple fact i wudnt want an escapee mutt left on my conscience. They are nice looking snakes though sunrise.

 

[Retic]

SM, I agree totally. This bloke gave fair warning of the content and still gets heaps even though he isn't even in this country.
Anyway you said everything I wanted to so good for you.

 

[Australis]

The reputation of ill informed ignorant attitudes of some Aussie Herpers, is what is making some people and this site a bit of a laughing stock on Overseas forums..

Why should we care what seppo forums think, i doubt they would be too worried about what we think of their forums, doesnt help when certain Australian members go to the o/s forums just to have a cry.

A lot of the o/s forums are so full of photo threads of below average animals followed by a bunch of posts like "omg amazing, totally amazing, killer carpet buddy" "oh bud wow send it my way you dude" blah blah blah... below average animal after below average animal, i know who the laughing stock is

If SunRiseReptiles wants a bunch of sugar coated replies maybe an Australian forum where cross breeding is largley despised isnt the best place for that.

Although i do love watching the usual suspects jumping to the defence of o/s animals, while putting a boot into the Aussies at the same time, good stuff, always predictable.

 

[SunRiseReptiles]

If SunRiseReptiles wants a bunch of sugar coated replies maybe an Australian forum where cross breeding is largley despised isnt the best place for that.

Nope, I just wanted to join this forum.....

 

[dottyback]

Sunrisereptiles: Mark I think the cross looks fantastic! I was into tropical fish before getting into herps and there are some amazing cross's that not only look great but are widly excepted, the 2 bieng flowerhorms and king kong parrot cichlids. Keep up the good work mate. cheers, Ben

 

[Kersten]

I'm just trying to wrap my head around why someone would post on a site they thought was a joke whose members were all ignorant.

 

[Australis]

I'm just trying to wrap my head around why someone would post on a site they thought was a joke whose members were all ignorant.

Oh now your just showing your ignorance Kersten

 

[thepythonpit]

Nope, I just wanted to join this forum.....

nice snakes mate , dont pay to much attention to the small minds that cant think out side there self rightset views , you know what your doing and you are doing it well ... im a pure breed sort of person but i can appresiate a good looking snake and i dont think any snake deserves the freezer, theres a lot of people on here that hold a rat in higher regard then a cross breed snake ...

 

[Kersten]

Oh now your just showing your ignorance Kersten

I am, aren't I? Occupational hazard.

 

[Fossilman]

I would never want the pure blood lines of australian pythons to be ruined, but i can appreciate a beautiful crossbred. It can have many benefits, it can produce a more hardy and superior snake..as long as they arent released into the wild and not passed off as a purebred then i dont see a problem with it??

 

[Australis]

I would never want the pure blood lines of australian pythons to be ruined, but i can appreciate a beautiful crossbred. It can have many benefits it can produce a more hardy and superior snake.........

In what way could a mongrel be superior to a "purebred" animal?

and not passed off as a purebred then i dont see a problem with it??......

They are frequently pasted off as something they are not, happens on this site often enough.

 

[888lowndes888]

SM keep your pants on mate i was stating my opinion never at any stage did i preach. I said "I THINK" it is butt ugly personal opinion i have mine, you have yours.

 

[mebebrian]

Stuff em, Nice snakes sunrise

 

[Fossilman]

In what way could a mongrel be superior to a "purebred" animal?

Haha i knew someone would ask. Its called "hybrid vigour", google it

Crossbred animals from any species usually have healthier genetics than purebreds. Its because purebreds are basically inbred and so they only have genetics from a very small gene pool.

A snake breeder who breeds purebreds does this for one reason, to produce a breed which "breeds true" and conforms to a "breed standard", These animals come from a "good bloodline" - that is one that is inbred so it has as many of characteristics that the breeder regards as desirable. Sadly with snakes its mostly all about looks, not neccesarily health.

Unfortunately this search for perfection and uniformity comes at a cost- The health of the animal. I cant explain this without typing a whole page so ill give an example.

Dogs for example, Its well known that a "mutt" or crossbred dog will probably be more hardy then a purebred . Purebred dogs die earlier and devolop far more tumours and cancers then mutts and are often less intelligent. Golden retrievers have bad hip problems and beagles have epilepsy, all this is a result of inbreeding the dog to keep the "purebred bloodline". Crossbreds are the basis of all farm animals because well they are basically superior to purebreds...

If you want me to i could go into detail about the genetics of purebreds and crossbreds and why crossbreds are healthier , im learning this stuff at uni so i like talking about it anyway lol

 

[SunRiseReptiles]

This is one of the reasons that some well known breeders here in Europe started to breed diamond * jungle's. They lost many adult diamonds with tumors and also of the so called Diamond Syndrome. All the crosses that they produced are not dealing with any of these problems.

Cheers Mark

 

[SunRiseReptiles]

and look for yourself..... this is not what I could call an ugly animal...

 

[Fossilman]

The principle of "purebreeding" is the same regardless of the species. Did you read anything i wrote??? :?