OPMV defamation rumors

[carpetmuncher]

I had obtained 80% directly as wild caught specimens out of WA (the safest source of animals in my opinion) The remainder came from non affiliated sources in QLD. So in answer to your question, "No idea if its the same".

hey dan, i heard that the animal that introduced it to you was the bumble-bee bhp, true? was it euthanased ? how many people that you have sold herps to did you warn upon knowing you had problems, i heard none.

 

[funcouple]

Seumas i dont believe any breeder/seller will ever tell anyone that they need to quarintine their purchase. it would be like say you better keep my animal away from the rest of your as i may have a problem. like i said it will never happen. it shouldnt matter what type of animal it is, all should be quarintine till you are sure that it is safe to add to your collection. this scare has brought to life just how slack most of us have been with quarintining new animals. it a practise that we all must adopt now

 

[seumas12345]

Seumas i dont believe any breeder/seller will ever tell anyone that they need to quarintine their purchase. it would be like say you better keep my animal away from the rest of your as i may have a problem. like i said it will never happen. it shouldnt matter what type of animal it is, all should be quarintine till you are sure that it is safe to add to your collection. this scare has brought to life just how slack most of us have been with quarintining new animals. it a practise that we all must adopt now

Yeah I was thinking that, I guess I wouldn't be telling people to quaranteen incase they thought there was something wrong with my animals. Perhaps it'd be worth at least one of the mods making a sticky about quaranteen it in the hope that others might read it?

 

[PilbaraPythons]

carpetmuncher
The Bumble bee was never sent to Dan and neither does it have any illness or exposed to one in any collection. Who ever told you otherwise is speaking absolute garbage, there seems to be alot of that told lately.

 

[John_lisa]

i think seumas is right because i am new to snakes and i have never even thought about quaranteen and to be honest i have no idea what to do in regards to it lol and i do understande were ur comeing from FC no breeder will say it but some how word needs to spread that it should be done it would be much more help in situations like this and tbh i still dont know alot about this but from what i have read it seems pritty bad and i wish all of u the best of luck not to get it in ur collection

 

[wokka]

Snakes are no different to any other animal including people. There are always diseases around the corner both known and unknown. Some animals are suseptible and some live through infection. In humans I can think of cancer and aids as examples of diseases which we know little about but happen, and life goes on. Likewise in snakes opmv, ibd,cve,abc and 123 are out there, and a heap of others we dont know about yet are out there and some animals will surcomb and some will be unaffected.
Looking to America, where far more captive animals have been kept for far longer than in Aus the hobby thrives without all the hysteria of the last 11 pages.
In keeping any pet the risk of disease is a consideration. I still take my dog to the leash free beach to play with the fifty or so other dogs which may or maynot be sick. And he enjoys it!

 

[snakehandler]

My biggest concern is the fact that people have had the virus, or OPMV like virus's, this is not reported and the rest of the reptile community WILL suffer. There was a pet store in Victoria that had a snake present with the symptoms, it was taken to the vet and eutahnised, it was confirmed to have a virus consistant with OPMV and the vet stated that there is no regulation to inform anyone.

The main problem with the reporting of such incidents is that the community backlash will be severe, when it may be that only a few individulas have been purchased. Quarantine is essential, but once it is shown that these animals are infected with any virus will the seller take responsibility.

In my experience with purchasing snakes from around Australia there are many very responsible people, however there are just as many just out for a quick buck. If a snake is not healthy when sold...(we have had several riddled with worms) then the seller should either pay for the vet bills and medical needs or should pay back a percentage of the animal. We have rarely had a person offer to do this. The two biggest problems wit internet sales are 1. people taking money and not sending the animals and 2. the animal is not healthy on delivery.

With our licensing laws it should be easy enough for a vet to report serious cases such as OMPV (CVE) cases to the relevant licensing authoroty in each state and they should follow it up.

 

[matt86]

It is obvious they aren't trying to hide the possibility of a problem, they aren't continuing trading so why keep trying point fingers and make them feel worse then they already do. They haven't committed a crime, they have received news of possible extreme bad luck to their beautiful collections. Remember these ppl don't want t lose their animals any more than you are frightened of it coming to you.

Mysnakesau, the issue is not with the people who have come forward and admitted a problem, and put their collections in a lockdown... the issue, and the cause of the fear/anger from a lot of the people on the forum, comes as a result of the people who have NOT come forward... the people who have been involved in trades, sales, purchases etc with the people who HAVE come forward...

That is why people want names, and why they want to trace it back and forward to know who has been involved in any way. AGAIN, I do not support the naming of names, just trying to explain where this fear/anger is coming from...

 

[Ozzie Python]

hey dan, i heard that the animal that introduced it to you was the bumble-bee bhp, true? was it euthanased ? how many people that you have sold herps to did you warn upon knowing you had problems, i heard none.

Carpetmuncher I think you heard wrong. Dan came out onto the forums and openly discussed his problems, something for which he deserves credit for. From what i remember he only sold a small amount of snakes, and those people were contacted and took correct measures to prevent it spreading further. I believe dan also mentioned he thought the virus came into his collection with some sick jungle pythons. As a result he euthanized his entire snake collection.

It really shows which direction this hobby is heading when people start flaming one of the genuine good guys of the hobby.

 

[geckodan]

hey dan, i heard that the animal that introduced it to you was the bumble-bee bhp, true? was it euthanased ? how many people that you have sold herps to did you warn upon knowing you had problems, i heard none.

No. I have never even had the pleasure of seeing the bumblebee in the flesh. I had not had the oppportunity to even sell my first snake when my collection was euthanased so no snakes left my premises at all except in glass jars filled with formalin.

 

[wokka]

Shutting the gate after the horse has bolted; comes to mind. Only those keepers who dont bother to quarantine should worry. Its too late conducting a witchunt after the event as there is no cure, The only way is prevention which involves treating every animal as though it were infected.

 

[TrueBlue]

Mark,
No problems in my collection at all. What about yours.?!!!!

 

[moreliainsanity]

Mark,
No problems in my collection at all. What about yours.?!!!!

This thread is an eye opener:shock: I figure a lot more things is getting said.
Bigger problem here than what people think it is.

True blue and Herpkeeper, what's the go between you two?
reading your post is hilarious like passing a bomb game LOL
What is it all about???

Leigh

 

[Ozzie Python]

putting opmv into a thread is usually as entertaining as throwing hybrid into the mix. I agree with wokkas comments about treating any suspect animal as though it has the virus, i think we all know that isn't going to happen. Lets just hope in the future people do the right thing, and breeders keep contact details of anyone they sell animals to so any outbreaks can be contained.

 

[Wild~Touch]

Never ever had any problems with my animals all are thriving and I can sleep at night perhaps it is because

NO ONE touches my snakes, I don't handle anybody elses animals and a selected few people are invited to

my premises...any new animal stays in quarantine for at least six months downstairs away from the others..

Gotta admit it takes a lot of pleasure out of keeping reptiles BUT IT IS THE ONLY WAY I can keep my animals

and rest easy. Some people may call me a grouchy old B....... who cares.....my animals are sale

Cheers
Sandee

 

[snakehandler]

If you have them in quarantine and one does show signs of OPMV do you bother to contact the person you bought it from, just because you have isolated it in your collection what is to stop a person to continue to sell not only the infected animals but also infected equipment.

Its not a name and shame game, it is a protect the reptile community issue.

 

[Wild~Touch]

If you have them in quarantine and one does show signs of OPMV do you bother to contact the person you bought it from, just because you have isolated it in your collection what is to stop a person to continue to sell not only the infected animals but also infected equipment.

Its not a name and shame game, it is a protect the reptile community issue.

Hi snakehandller

As stated I have never ever had one single problem with any of my animals

BUT...if ever in the future there is something not right noticed by me ..straightaway I would inform the seller then

take the animal to a reputable reptile vet for further investigation.

I care about the animals more than any other factor

Cheers
Sandee

 

[=bECS=]

True blue and Herpkeeper, what's the go between you two?
reading your post is hilarious like passing a bomb game LOL
Leigh

Thats what i was thinking, everytime i read a reply for some reason i picture Bill Clinton trying to convince himself on tv ''I DID not have relations with that woman'' and that other infamous one ''My first instinct was to DENY DENY DENY'' :lol: :lol: :lol:



All this bickering back and forth and news coming to light of others who have had / have the diesase and continue to trade etc makes me want to stick to just keeping herps with legs!

Personally i think its a dog act if someone would knowingly harbour the disease and not tell all those who have had contact with the collection or purchased from them that they could have contracted it.
Even worse are those that have animals die from it and try to make a quick $ back by selling enclosures that the animals were kept in.

Its a sorry state of affairs IMO :|

 

[matt86]

Its not a name and shame game, it is a protect the reptile community issue.

Well said Snakehandler... Well said!

And the only people afraid of being named, are those who have something to be ashamed of!

 

[itbites]

Plus if people are named as being associated with these viruses, diseases etc..
They will no doubt loose sales & that would seem to be their main concern? :shock:

Passing the buck isn't going to work, the people who are really concerned about
their collections will not want to trade with dishonest people who pass the blame.

If the matter is dealt with honestly & openly it may be a different outcome
but somehow I doubt many major breeders/sellers would be most willing to come forward
to say their collection is tainted.

If better quarantine procedures where in place would this have occurred in the first place?