Ban the deed not the breed!!

[CharliePython]

DNA tests may yield surprise breeds in mutts - Health - Pet health - msnbc.com just one bit of info for you to check out waruikazi..

Dogs Saved by DNA Testing ? Smartdogs' Weblog and another

 

[waruikazi]

It's interesting to note that german shepherds and dobermans were historically regarded as the best guard dogs, yet the number of attacks on humans by these breeds were few and far between. That leads to a conclusion that pit bulls and rotweilers have something in them ..... the little screw in their brains that becomes loose sometimes.

I think that comes down to the breed intelligence, pit type dogs are as thick as two short planks lol.

DNA tests may yield surprise breeds in mutts - Health - Pet health - msnbc.com just one bit of info for you to check out waruikazi..

Dogs Saved by DNA Testing � Smartdogs' Weblog and another

Thanks mate, i didn't think it could be accurately done.

 

[Firedrake]

Pits are if anything, more intelligent than some other breeds. Maybe not so much as Sheps and Dobermans, but personally I find that Labs are dumber than a pit any day. Any breed taught correctly from day one can learn just as much as any other breed. It comes down to how dedicated the owner really is, and how much they really care whether their dog knows how to interact with other dogs and humans.

 

[Ships]

It doesn't matter some breeds have a lower tolerance than others, some are not as bombproof as others no matter the amount of training some can just be unpredictable, why is that so hard to understand. Compare Red bellies to browns, tigers to copperheads, palmy's to tully's, different species of all kinds have differing temprements.

 

[Chrisy]

As we all know some people are just stupid and should not be allowed to own any kind of animal weather it be repitle, dog, cat, bird or fish becuase they will no doubt ******* up the temerment of that animal.

Sad story for you all so you know what can happen to a perfectly natured animal in the wrong hands.

I had Tj he was an australian staffy he was wonderfull as a puppy and he grew up with my two boys they were only 2 and 3 at the time, and he was wonderfully natured, got along with everyone, he was a pat ******* he would wait for kids to finish school and lay beside the fence waiting for anyone to walk past to give him a pat. He used to sleep with the cats for ******* sake he was a wimp and he would lay there while the kids climbed over him and tugged on his ears. He would not hurt a fly. Well he would eat flies occasionaly.

Any how when me and my ex split he took my Tj and he moved back with his parents and their two dogs, a geman sheppard and a cross bred jackrussle/foxie/something. Well after about two years of how knows what, I have been told that if Tj was caught doing something wrong he was kicked in the guts and locked out side and a few other things. Well in the last 12 months Tj was deemed as a dangerous dog and he was put down becuase he attacked my ex while holding a child. Now Tj did not like my ex to start with and when him and I used to argue he would bark at my ex or if he was getting angry at my children he would bark at him and go to nip his ankles. Dogs can sense a persons personality and character.

Tj (pictured below) was a loyal animal, god rest his soul.


SO it does not matter what the breed is it depends on its owner.

I would like to know how and why the dog got out of the owners yard, dogs do not just attack for no reason and from my understanding the owner lived a few houses down, so the dog and the owner would have been known same with the people that got attacked. How is it that the owner just walked into the persons house and collected their dog with no hassle, mean while the woman is screaming and yelling creating a stressfull environment for herself the child and the dog.

I am sorry for the woman losing her child, and I am sorry for the owner of the dog .

SO what happened for all that to start.

And I applologise in advance if my story or my comments on the situation upset anyone. My intention is to show it does not matter what breed an animal is, it still can turn on you or someone you know and to condem a whole breed just based on a few incidences is BS, what about all the other attacks by other breeds of dogs. The media needs to stay out of those sort of matters when there are much more pressing matters that need to be addressed instead of making the situation worse.

 

[Ships]

Chrisy are you serious, the dog mauled a child to death!!, who cares what the child did to the dog, who cares what happened to the dog, have you ever seen anyone die horribly, have you seen someone missing pieces of their anatomy and bleeding to death!! Have you seen the horror on their face. Its bloody horrific and this happened to an innocent child of 4 years, can you imagine that poor babies terror. Are you even aware that family dogs kill stock, they dont do this as a need to survive or to protect themselves they do it because they enjoy it and get carried away with the thrill of the kill.

 

[Klaery]

Pits are if anything, more intelligent than some other breeds. Maybe not so much as Sheps and Dobermans, but personally I find that Labs are dumber than a pit any day. Any breed taught correctly from day one can learn just as much as any other breed.

Not the dumbest dogs but I certainly wouldn't rate them as being anywhere near any of the intelligent breeds in that respect. I have to also disagree and say that in my opinion no, just any breed can not learn as much as any other. Different dogs have been selectively bred for different things and no amount of owner input is going to change an animals genetic makeup.

In the same way I think it is silly to say that all dogs are friendly to all and reliably safe if brought up correctly. That is like saying an animals genetics has nothing at all to do with temperament which we know is not the case.

 

[dihsmaj]

Chrisy are you serious, the dog mauled a child to death!!, who cares what the child did to the dog, who cares what happened to the dog, have you ever seen anyone die horribly, have you seen someone missing pieces of their anatomy and bleeding to death!! Have you seen the horror on their face. Its bloody horrific and this happened to an innocent child of 4 years, can you imagine that poor babies terror. Are you even aware that family dogs kill stock, they dont do this as a need to survive or to protect themselves they do it because they enjoy it and get carried away with the thrill of the kill.

Of course they have the instinct to kill, they're descended from wolves -- does that mean all dogs should be killed? All dogs DO have the capability to kill someone.

 

[Ships]

Some more capable and proven than others, in any case the argument is moot, surely the evidence is in now

 

[dihsmaj]

I agree that many attacks are from pitbulls and that their build is quite strong (my sister-in-law's dog literally tackles me to the ground, I'm 53kgs), but still, we shouldn't put them all down.

I've also been reading a lot about Rotties... again, what!? My sister had a Rotty (put down in April due to bad, bad legs, he could hardly stand) and he was a big sook, just wanted to play and wanted to get patted!
Hell, my Maltese and him used to play all the time, and once, cut his nose, and the Rotty didn't care at all!

 

[KaotikJezta]

Not the dumbest dogs but I certainly wouldn't rate them as being anywhere near any of the intelligent breeds in that respect. I have to also disagree and say that in my opinion no, just any breed can not learn as much as any other. Different dogs have been selectively bred for different things and no amount of owner input is going to change an animals genetic makeup.

In the same way I think it is silly to say that all dogs are friendly to all and reliably safe if brought up correctly. That is like saying an animals genetics has nothing at all to do with temperament which we know is not the case.

Are you serious, drug dealers in the uk train them to carry drugs and money. They go deliver the drug sometimes across the other side of the city, pick the money up and bring it back. They don't stop for anyone or anything until the job is done. I would say the dog has to be pretty smart to be able to do that wouldn't you.

 

[snakehandler]

Banning a breed will not stop the issues as breed specific legislation can only legislated against pure breeds not crosses. A jail term for the owner is what is needed, you are supposed to be in control of your animal, if it causes harm you should face the same charges as if you committed the offense yourself!


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[sher_khan13]

I find it funny that we have so many pitbull experts here yet not a single one seems to know why they were initially bred, They weren't bred at all for fighting....They were bred specifically for pigging!!
Staffies aren't pitbulls "Snakeluvver".

I have been around numerous pitbulls and my educated opinion is that they should remain 100% illegal to breed or own in Australia, Don't believe what pitbull owners try to tell you, the dogs have a genetic disposition for aggression and were line bred for that exact reason. A lot of owners believe they have "trained" their pitbull and got them worked out....this is not the case.

It also angers me to see these macho morons try to list them as "American staffordshires" staffies are awesome dogs and shouldn't be put in the same class as pitbulls.

you sir, are wrong. in fact ALL TERRIERS have this genentic disposition that you talk of. "pitbull" is a nick name. a name given to a variety of dogs; staffies/bullies/AMERICAN staffies. a name given to them for obvious reasons. my family has owned all of these breeds ever since my great grandfather got his first. i bet i can make ANY dog angry and agressive. its not hard. place any "pitbull" pup in a loving home and the results will be clear. the owners of these dogs that do attack people are inhumane pricks that wont think twice about giving it a kick in the guts and overly using a choker chain etc etc. ive seen them plenty of times before. there is definitely a common factor with them though : all of them morons buying this breed of dog simply because of its reputation. "look how big and tough i am with my angry pitbull"

I personally do not see the point of keeping these breeds of dog.
Im not having a go at anyone, but I am genuinely curious as to why you own them?

as i said previously we have had these breeds for over 50 years in my family. they are the most loving and loyal creatures i have ever come across. for over half a century within my family, there has not been a single attack

 

[grimbeny]

as i said previously we have had these breeds for over 50 years in my family. they are the most loving and loyal creatures i have ever come across. for over half a century within my family, there has not been a single attack

This sort of annecdotal evidence really is useless in this argument. Obviously not every pitbull is violent but the breed holds a dissproportionate amount of fatal attacks. Lets look at something like a gun, obviously guns in themself arnt violent and wont hurt a fly unless put in the hands of the wrong person.

We need to adress how ownership of these dangerous dogs, can be managed so that people who shouldnt own them dont have access. If this means banning the dogs from public hands then maybe that is a necessary step.

 

[KaotikJezta]

wait......
Here we go, American yes but no such data has been compiled in Australia:

Dog Bite Statistics by Breed, Types of Pit Bulls, Are Pit Bulls Dangerous

 

[sher_khan13]

This sort of annecdotal evidence really is useless in this argument. Obviously not every pitbull is violent but the breed holds a dissproportionate amount of fatal attacks. Lets look at something like a gun, obviously guns in themself arnt violent and wont hurt a fly unless put in the hands of the wrong person.

We need to adress how ownership of these dangerous dogs, can be managed so that people who shouldnt own them dont have access. If this means banning the dogs from public hands then maybe that is a necessary step.

i dont see how its that useless. just worked out wiht my dad that in the family there have been at least 15 staffies/bullies over a great number of years. different owners, different breeders. thats definitely worth something. and banning the breed wont stop the morons who get them for the wrong reason from just getting another dog capaple of great damage. my cousin has massive scars on his head from a german sheppard.

moron + ANY animal = somethign bad is going to happen

 

[snakehandler]

Before you condemn the breed try this link:
http://www.pitbullsontheweb.com/petbull/findpit.html
See how long it takes you to id the pitbull!!
It's time people understood something, if we ban based on breed especially when they have been linked to deaths then it's a quick trip down the road to banning venomous snakes as they kill people too!


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[KaotikJezta]

Thats awesome, even took me three goes to get it.

 

[grimbeny]

wait......
Here we go, American yes but no such data has been compiled in Australia:

Dog Bite Statistics by Breed, Types of Pit Bulls, Are Pit Bulls Dangerous

LMAO according to that website a pure bred pug has caused 1 fatality. I dont beleive everything I read on the internet.

 

[alrightknight]

There is not much data kept on dog attacks.

Australia has a canine population of about 4 million. The statistics currently available on dog attacks are incomplete and fragmented, since no comprehensive reporting system exists for dog attacks in Australia. However, it has been estimated that each year more than 100,000 Australians are attacked by dogs, causing injuries of varying degrees of severity.1 The Accident and Emergency Departments of the nation's public hospitals treat an estimated 12,000 and 14,000 people for dog bite injuries.2 Almost 1,400 of those have injuries that are serious enough to warrant hospitalisation. The majority of injuries inflicted by dogs are not serious, and the mortality rate is extremely low (11 cases between 1969 to 1999), but dog bites can cause severe physical and emotional damage.

Most of these attacks are on children ( nearly all breeds of dogs find it hard accepting new people within the "pack"). Media tends to focus on dog attacks in public places by dogs deemed "viloent" which are infact very low, as 60% of all attacks occur to visitors in a friend or families home. Breeds responsible are not well documented but the generally reflect the relative popularity of the breed in that area. nearly half of the dogs kept in australia are crossbreeds which do not demonstarte a constant breed type. So its unknown what breeds of dogs account to the most attacks.

Snakehandler is 100% correct, with so many crossbreeds it is impossible to implement a ban.