ari
Well-Known Member
Re: RE: Amyae or Asper
If this is the case then the so called morons producing hybrids should be named immediately & stopped in their tracks. Not only is this illegal but it completely wrecks the bloodline of both Amyae & Asper.
The problem is that most of us apart from certain individuals have no indepth knowledge on what to look for & in most cases would suspect any individual specimen with tan to orange colouring to be Amyae, and anything grey to black in colouration to be Asper (this can & is misrepresented in books & articles)
Individuals would have and still currently would be purchasing individuals not knowing 100% what they are & accidentally (not knowing) then continuing to cross things they think are the same species.
Correct me if I am wrong but the article in Reptiles Australia on Amyae/Asper states nothing at all about a comparision related to spiny length & or clusters - so whats the go there with that article.
Some individuals seem more concerned in purchasing to breed & making a quick buck without really knowing what they are purchasing - furthermore any individual purchasing items must be aware that their movement advice is a great backup for conflicts as what is stated on that movement advice (legal document) is great proof of what they are purchasing - if that turns out to not be the case (fraud) well I think they are safe to say full refund required.
This post is exactly the same as previous post I have placed with individuals stating "there Amyae" when infact they don't real know - there is far too many irregularates to say for sure - most people are going by colour alone on there assumptions or other significant characteristics which can still alter from individual to individual.
The possibility of individuals purposely crossing to produce hybrids actually makes me SICK at the thought.
Furthermore I wish to add to all those people considering purchasing Amyae & or Asper for that matter - DO NOT BUY ANY SPECIMENS FOR BREEDING PURPOSES THAT ARE AGED OVER 6 YRS OF AGE.....YOU COULD BE WAITING FOR YEARS TO GET AN EGG.
Furthermore I suggest purchasing from repretable breeders or referrals from repretable breeders only & certainly consider purchasing juvies only. Buying specimens of an adult nature is far to risky furthermore ask yourself this question " If you had a breeding pair of rare Amyae or Asper would you sell them if they constantly keep laying & all is well"? Obviously this isn't always the case but just be wary.
Cheers
Ari
geckodan said:Also be aware Toad that there are some unscrupulous morons out there hybridising the two either due to misinformation, greed or stupidity (you take your pick). The hybrid animals retain mostly amyae characteristics in terms of size but have asper colour coming through. It is a possibility if the size comment above rings true.
If this is the case then the so called morons producing hybrids should be named immediately & stopped in their tracks. Not only is this illegal but it completely wrecks the bloodline of both Amyae & Asper.
The problem is that most of us apart from certain individuals have no indepth knowledge on what to look for & in most cases would suspect any individual specimen with tan to orange colouring to be Amyae, and anything grey to black in colouration to be Asper (this can & is misrepresented in books & articles)
Individuals would have and still currently would be purchasing individuals not knowing 100% what they are & accidentally (not knowing) then continuing to cross things they think are the same species.
Correct me if I am wrong but the article in Reptiles Australia on Amyae/Asper states nothing at all about a comparision related to spiny length & or clusters - so whats the go there with that article.
Some individuals seem more concerned in purchasing to breed & making a quick buck without really knowing what they are purchasing - furthermore any individual purchasing items must be aware that their movement advice is a great backup for conflicts as what is stated on that movement advice (legal document) is great proof of what they are purchasing - if that turns out to not be the case (fraud) well I think they are safe to say full refund required.
This post is exactly the same as previous post I have placed with individuals stating "there Amyae" when infact they don't real know - there is far too many irregularates to say for sure - most people are going by colour alone on there assumptions or other significant characteristics which can still alter from individual to individual.
The possibility of individuals purposely crossing to produce hybrids actually makes me SICK at the thought.
Furthermore I wish to add to all those people considering purchasing Amyae & or Asper for that matter - DO NOT BUY ANY SPECIMENS FOR BREEDING PURPOSES THAT ARE AGED OVER 6 YRS OF AGE.....YOU COULD BE WAITING FOR YEARS TO GET AN EGG.
Furthermore I suggest purchasing from repretable breeders or referrals from repretable breeders only & certainly consider purchasing juvies only. Buying specimens of an adult nature is far to risky furthermore ask yourself this question " If you had a breeding pair of rare Amyae or Asper would you sell them if they constantly keep laying & all is well"? Obviously this isn't always the case but just be wary.
Cheers
Ari