Wally
Very Well-Known Member
Death, tax and threads on GTP prices......
An intelligent person can make a valid point in a discussion without being an expert. That is all I am saying and it in no way relates to any other post apart from the two between you and I.Jamie is dead right Andy, trust me, hence my sarcastic comment. Everybody can have an opinion but only some qualify.
Well said!It doesn't matter how many hours you've put into clutches any how much your initial outlay was really. If you don't get enjoyment from the aspects of breeding then why are you doing it in the first place? Because your Steve Irwin wildlife conservationist? I don't think so. It's that all mighty $$$ again. How many people do you think seen and thought this is a great opportunity to make some cash in something i love doing when they were selling for 15 large. Probably more then most of you would like to admit. You outlaying that money originally, that's your problem. You could of brought stock or invested in a donut king stand. All are risk vs reward. Keeping reptiles is a luxury not a nesescity, western culture has massive consumerism and we have a pretty damn good economy so it is us at the end of the day who have more sway over prices after the initial release and buzz. Unless you want to keep all your clutches and stay in your little secret cloak and dagger society that is. Some of you are more then welcome to with how high you think you hold your nose up. Not everyone cares about the politics or even what goes into producing said animals or what isolated specific pocket of the jungle it comes from. And that doesn't mean they don't love the animal any less. At the end of the day don't forget your breeding for the market.
I think the majority of breeders are breeding snakes for the money and some find a bonus in that they enjoy it but not all breeders are greedy because they want to make money. I am sure there is some breeders that are greedy but you have to look at it like a business where the owner has to fork out the initial outlay and then spend their time in order to make money and their time is not free. If they were not spending a lot of time producing snakes and sometimes rats to feed the snakes they could be doing other work where they get paid money. The breeders want to get as much money back on there initial investment as any other other investor wants so will set the price of their product as high as the market will allow because lets face it if they set their price too high people will not buy their produce which brings me onto my next point. It is the consumer that has a big influence on pricing, if the consumer does not see the value in the product they will simply not buy it and the breeder will go out of business. You do make a lot of valid points but ultimately what Baden said is how it is , "At the end of the day a reptile is worth what two people agree on".It doesn't matter how many hours you've put into clutches any how much your initial outlay was really. If you don't get enjoyment from the aspects of breeding then why are you doing it in the first place? Because your Steve Irwin wildlife conservationist? I don't think so. It's that all mighty $$$ again. How many people do you think seen and thought this is a great opportunity to make some cash in something i love doing when they were selling for 15 large. Probably more then most of you would like to admit. You outlaying that money originally, that's your problem. You could of brought stock or invested in a donut king stand. All are risk vs reward. Keeping reptiles is a luxury not a nesescity, western culture has massive consumerism and we have a pretty damn good economy so it is us at the end of the day who have more sway over prices after the initial release and buzz. Unless you want to keep all your clutches and stay in your little secret cloak and dagger society that is. Some of you are more then welcome to with how high you think you hold your nose up. Not everyone cares about the politics or even what goes into producing said animals or what isolated specific pocket of the jungle it comes from. And that doesn't mean they don't love the animal any less. At the end of the day don't forget your breeding for the market.
as more people own and breed them the supply over takes the demand and prices will crash. i personally think it needs to happen as gtp have had there day.
I never flat out stated that its just greedy high end breeders. Read my posts properly first before seeing red and becoming fixated on it as apposed to reading all I had to say and thinking about it. A forum is a place for learning and discussion, and we are having a discussion. One of my points was the superior attitude alot of these breeders have, I'm well aware of all the work waterrat does for the hobby/conservation/animals etc however alot of his posts are snide remarks without explaining his belief or opinion. Therefore is it not just to form the opinion of them that I have. I know I am not alone in that either, the only diffrence is I will come out and say it. Again I'm not trying to start arguments or attacks I'm just discussing these things. So Red-Ink, if we don't have these threads or raise these issues/opinions/questions with everyone how are we supposed to know? Especially when breeders like waterrat hold his nose high avoids questions and drops degrading remarks. Are we supposed to conduct skull and bones smoke and daggers behind the scenes discussions and accept what's said without asking questions? Please don't take me the wrong way either red-ink (as is quick to happen on here ) as I'm not trying to be a smarty pants I'm just raising these points and asking these questions.
I just wanted to point out that why don't we ask the breeders directly... If Michael is putting in the work, surely other breeders are as well.
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