There will be meeting to discuss the proposed sale of reptiles through petshops in NSW at the end of August.I was ask to post this by fellow forum member to let people know.He will try get and give more details at a later date.
sale of reptiles in nsw petshops
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my maniger tol me that it was going to happen this year. (i work in a pet shop) but i am and always will be completly against the idea and i hope it doesnt happen, can we start a potition? im just worried and sure it will be this way, that they clearly only doing it to make money and therefor the proper husbandary of the herps for sale most likey wont be there number 1 priority. I WANT THIS STOPPED!!!!!!
blair
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in some ways i agree that they should be sold there and some ways i disagree
i think that if breeders could sell them through the petshops then it would make it easyer to purchase them
but then people could take advantage of that and pet shops sell thing for 10 times the amount they they pay in the first place
but thats my opinion
i think that if breeders could sell them through the petshops then it would make it easyer to purchase them
but then people could take advantage of that and pet shops sell thing for 10 times the amount they they pay in the first place
but thats my opinion
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MrBredli
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If URS or Pails For Scales said they wanted to setup in NSW, would everyone be against it? I think not. Whilst i agree there are a multitude of problems that come with allowing reptiles to be sold in pet stores, if properly policed from the beginning, with strict conditions and prerequisites, then it would be ok. No doubt that won't happen though..
Australis
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Im Against it, but alot of NSW petshop sell under the counter anyways.
Matt
Matt
i heard that all the shop workers have to do a course on husbandary and purchasers also have to do one, sounds good but i strongly doubt that will happen. if roy pails and that wanted to that would be completely different imo because they are breeders and lovers im concerend about the shops that really deal with fish cats dogs ect... reptiles are just another animal and they will put 10 hatchy snakes in an enclosure cause they're selling fast ect wont feed them properly temps probably not looked at closely individual spp. needs etc... they will think it is ok cause they may only have them for 3 weeks but that is 3 weeks of unneeded stress on an animal and as hatchies thats there most important stage.
blair
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thats very true
I strongly dissagree with the sale of reptiles in petshops. As it is I absolutly HATE the way the class 1 license works. Send us money and we send you a permit. I think it should be alot harderwhere u need to prove you have researched each species you want to keep and present them with pictures of the enclosures.
I disagree here in Canberra pet shops are allowed to sell -Eastern long necks,eastern bearded dragons,common blue tongues and shingle backs.It is very unlikely that people buying these reptiles will get the right advice.
I have spoken to one person who bought a turtle and they sold her a food bowl with it.They do not supply the public with enough information at all from the experience I have seen first hand.It is a opening for impulse buying,and again not enough advice to the buyer because all the shop staff want is to make a sale.When you do get a impulse buyer that is not given the correct information and has not thought about the true meaning of owning a reptile,such as how long it lives for,a variaty in diet just basic husbandry.The buyer will let it go ,or due to poor information and proper care the animal will die.This is not a cool idea and just leave it in the hands of people that know what there doing.
I am not a breeder and I do not sell reptiles just buy them and I would not buy a mouse from a pet shop it cant be trusted.
Kylie
I have spoken to one person who bought a turtle and they sold her a food bowl with it.They do not supply the public with enough information at all from the experience I have seen first hand.It is a opening for impulse buying,and again not enough advice to the buyer because all the shop staff want is to make a sale.When you do get a impulse buyer that is not given the correct information and has not thought about the true meaning of owning a reptile,such as how long it lives for,a variaty in diet just basic husbandry.The buyer will let it go ,or due to poor information and proper care the animal will die.This is not a cool idea and just leave it in the hands of people that know what there doing.
I am not a breeder and I do not sell reptiles just buy them and I would not buy a mouse from a pet shop it cant be trusted.
Kylie
stencorp69
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I think they should definately allow it. The more main stream the hobby becomes the less BS the hobby will have to put up with. I think the benefits of easier access to the hobby via pet shop reptile sales far out weight the drawbacks and the odd inexperienced keepers failures.
Lets face it experience is not always a guarantee of husbandry success.
Lets face it experience is not always a guarantee of husbandry success.
After seeing countless dead and dying animals in pet shops with prices still attached, after seeing first time keepers being sold animals which are in such poor health that I don't think I would be able to bring them back to health even if I was to do my absolute best, after seeing so many clearly wild caught animals being sold, after seeing the pet shop owners continuing on with business after being caught poaching wild animals and selling exotics, I think it's fair to say that allowing pet shops to sell reptiles is a very dangerous move. Some good shops exist, but for each of them, there are many bad ones. I have no problem with the owners of the few good shops currently operating, but I don't think the terrible suffering and illegal poaching which would result from legalising a pet shop trade in reptiles in NSW would be worth the small benefits. Even in shops run by the most well intentioned people have the inherent problem of the impossibility of guaranteeing their animals are going to remain healthy, because it isn't possible for them to quarantine their animals (they simply can not hold every animal in an isolated area for 6-12 months before sale). Bringing animals in from a range of sources then concentrating them into a small area where they are handled by multiple reptile keepers is a recipe for disaster and it's no surprise that people often buy animals with diseases and parasites.
If anyone is wondering what stance to take on the issue, take a trip to Melbourne where pet shops have been selling herps for many years and see what things are like. Even some of the shops with the best reputations will be selling animals in very poor health, you're fairly likely to see dead animals still in their cages, you'll see illegally caught reptiles being sold to unsuspecting customers as captive bred... I could go on for pages and pages about the horror. There is no doubt that the same would happen in NSW.
Another game to play in the Melbourne pet shops is acting stupid. Go into a shop, pretend to be utterly clueless, talk about how you're going to feed your new snake crickets and keep it in a tub on top of the television because the TV is usually warm. Usually they'll still be perfectly happy to sell you a snake and often won't even suggest that your proposed methods are bad. Seriously, try it. I know a few people who do this regularly and watched a few people doing it at the recent Victorian expo, it's quite eye opening.
If anyone is wondering what stance to take on the issue, take a trip to Melbourne where pet shops have been selling herps for many years and see what things are like. Even some of the shops with the best reputations will be selling animals in very poor health, you're fairly likely to see dead animals still in their cages, you'll see illegally caught reptiles being sold to unsuspecting customers as captive bred... I could go on for pages and pages about the horror. There is no doubt that the same would happen in NSW.
Another game to play in the Melbourne pet shops is acting stupid. Go into a shop, pretend to be utterly clueless, talk about how you're going to feed your new snake crickets and keep it in a tub on top of the television because the TV is usually warm. Usually they'll still be perfectly happy to sell you a snake and often won't even suggest that your proposed methods are bad. Seriously, try it. I know a few people who do this regularly and watched a few people doing it at the recent Victorian expo, it's quite eye opening.
I disagree here in Canberra pet shops are allowed to sell -Eastern long necks,eastern bearded dragons,common blue tongues and shingle backs.It is very unlikely that people buying these reptiles will get the right advice.
I have spoken to one person who bought a turtle and they sold her a food bowl with it.They do not supply the public with enough information at all from the experience I have seen first hand.It is a opening for impulse buying,and again not enough advice to the buyer because all the shop staff want is to make a sale.When you do get a impulse buyer that is not given the correct information and has not thought about the true meaning of owning a reptile,such as how long it lives for,a variaty in diet just basic husbandry.The buyer will let it go ,or due to poor information and proper care the animal will die.This is not a cool idea and just leave it in the hands of people that know what there doing.
I am not a breeder and I do not sell reptiles just buy them and I would not buy a mouse from a pet shop it cant be trusted.
Kylie
I have spoken to one person who bought a turtle and they sold her a food bowl with it.They do not supply the public with enough information at all from the experience I have seen first hand.It is a opening for impulse buying,and again not enough advice to the buyer because all the shop staff want is to make a sale.When you do get a impulse buyer that is not given the correct information and has not thought about the true meaning of owning a reptile,such as how long it lives for,a variaty in diet just basic husbandry.The buyer will let it go ,or due to poor information and proper care the animal will die.This is not a cool idea and just leave it in the hands of people that know what there doing.
I am not a breeder and I do not sell reptiles just buy them and I would not buy a mouse from a pet shop it cant be trusted.
Kylie
When it comes to selling reptiles it should only be done through breeders and reptile shops that specilise in the care of reptiles and have staff that are reptile keepers them selves.Not a pet shop that only have knowledge on the cute and fluffys.
there is good and bad in pet shops selling reptiles, but it's really no different to them selling any other animal, how many pet shop workers really know about the different birds, fish, puppies, mice, rats, and so on that they sell, it will happen like it did in qld, i just hope it's controlled the right way,
and just something else, i know of a couple pet shops that are either cutting back or stopping selling reptiles because the sales have droped, so maybe after a couple years petshops won't be selling reptiles, the biggest problem at the moment for qld petshops is that the local breeders can always undercut their local petshops on prices,
just for the record, i'm not against petshops selling them as long as it's controlled and checked...
cheers,
steve..........
and just something else, i know of a couple pet shops that are either cutting back or stopping selling reptiles because the sales have droped, so maybe after a couple years petshops won't be selling reptiles, the biggest problem at the moment for qld petshops is that the local breeders can always undercut their local petshops on prices,
just for the record, i'm not against petshops selling them as long as it's controlled and checked...
cheers,
steve..........
Re: RE: sale of reptiles in nsw petshops
I am so sorry I dont want a heated debate about this but I do feel very strongly about it.I live in the ACT where we have what they call exempt reptiles.
I also have done 2 years volintry work at Canberra exotics.If you could see and hear what I have you would soon change your mind.
Its not pretty
stencorp69 said:
I am so sorry I dont want a heated debate about this but I do feel very strongly about it.I live in the ACT where we have what they call exempt reptiles.
I also have done 2 years volintry work at Canberra exotics.If you could see and hear what I have you would soon change your mind.
Its not pretty
RE: Re: RE: sale of reptiles in nsw petshops
I just read that and realised how it came out.What i am saying is the ppl that go to pet shops 80% of the time end up coming to pete at canberra exotics and thats when i see how little the pet shops know.
I just read that and realised how it came out.What i am saying is the ppl that go to pet shops 80% of the time end up coming to pete at canberra exotics and thats when i see how little the pet shops know.
does anyone have any ideas on what can be done to stop it? this is a serious question!
every person that comes in to the petshop i works at get 3 things:
1) as much help and advise i can give them.
2)me telling them to get on the net and get as many care sheets they can so they can compare them to see what is best.
3) the web address for this site where they can get alot more help and most importantly ongoing help from people that have experience and know what they are talking about.
this is all petshops need to do, it will b hard for them to sell coastal hatchys ect for prices 2-3 times the price breeders sell them for and they wont get the healthy animal and experience they want!
IMO thi needs to be stopped.
every person that comes in to the petshop i works at get 3 things:
1) as much help and advise i can give them.
2)me telling them to get on the net and get as many care sheets they can so they can compare them to see what is best.
3) the web address for this site where they can get alot more help and most importantly ongoing help from people that have experience and know what they are talking about.
this is all petshops need to do, it will b hard for them to sell coastal hatchys ect for prices 2-3 times the price breeders sell them for and they wont get the healthy animal and experience they want!
IMO thi needs to be stopped.
junglecarpetsnake
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I think it wrong theres a place in Brisbane that
keep spotteds in chinese cont for god knows how long
how stressed would they be if they got stuck in a small
cont with no water. :twisted:
keep spotteds in chinese cont for god knows how long
how stressed would they be if they got stuck in a small
cont with no water. :twisted:
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