sale of reptiles in nsw petshops

[Lurk]

Re: RE: sale of reptiles in nsw petshops

I strongly dissagree with the sale of reptiles in petshops. As it is I absolutly HATE the way the class 1 license works. Send us money and we send you a permit. I think it should be alot harderwhere u need to prove you have researched each species you want to keep and present them with pictures of the enclosures.

In the ACT you need to own a "exempt reptile for 2 years before you can have a reptile license.But that has helped the pet shops and there freedom to sell these particula animals.

 

[Stevethepom]

RE: Re: RE: sale of reptiles in nsw petshops

whats makes you think if breeders of reptiles start selling commercially in nsw they wont bump the price of their reptiles up aswell.....hey, its a capitalistic country we live in people.....you try and make more money if you can....and as regards to uneducated people buying reptiles....hate to say but that happens anyhow....you think all reptiles breeders look into their clientel and ask for experience before they sell their reptiles...no way....they want money....granted there are those special few that just want the hobby to advance through knowledge etc, but its a rarity....

but personally i`m not for or against it.....pet shops sell dogs, rats, cats, birds.....where are the arguments to stop them selling those animals, each animal has its special needs etc, why should reptiles not be sold because they require special care too.....i`m sure plenty of dogs out there have been sold by pet shops who dont know a great deal about them, and bought by people who dont know a great deal either....but hey, both get what they want.....pet shop gets money, punter gets companion....

anyhow....thats my 10 pence worth

cheers
STP

 

[Gregory]

I am totally against Pet Shops selling reptiles. The shops such as the ones you find in major shopping centres and the like shouldn't be allowed anywhere near a reptile. The same as Aquariums and Bird shops.
I do however support the idea of specialist reptile shops offering a small range of reptiles. A place like Sydney Reptile Supplies, which is for herpers and owned and run by herpers.
I also think the licencing system should still be in place to avoid impulse buying. There is definately a place for it if it can be regulated.



Cheers, Greg.

 

[MrBredli]

Mr bredli the difference is those two shops you mention specialise in reptiles

Yes and even so they are not allowed to open a shop in NSW. Should they be allowed to? I believe they should. Should the local pet shop down the road be allowed to stock reptiles? Hell no!

If this is going to happen, they need to have extremely strict and easily enforcible laws. If this does not happen then we are screwed no matter what. I believe there should be only a limited number of licenses available, say only 10 commercial licenses available in NSW would be great. It would be easy to monitor each store and enforce all laws. Breaking any law would see your license revoked immediately and become available to somebody else.

To all the people who are against pet stores being allowed to sell reptiles in NSW, what would you say to only the top 10 pet stores in NSW being allowed to sell reptiles, with specific laws regarding their maintenance, cage sizes, staff knowledge etc?

 

[Australis]

To all the people who are against pet stores being allowed to sell reptiles in NSW, what would you say to only the top 10 pet stores in NSW being allowed to sell reptiles, with specific laws regarding their maintenance, cage sizes, staff knowledge etc?

Well if its going to happen, a strict limit on the amount of stores able to sell reptiles, and the fear of losing your licence if any regulation is breached, would be a option.

Dont that i want it to happen, but i concede it will.

Matt

 

[Nagraj]

Wonder why I don't see anyone here objecting to the sale of birds, dogs, cats etc. in NSW pet shops?

 

[Strange1]

Because most shops selling cats/dogs/birds know what to recommend to keepthem healthy. If you walk up to anyone in the street and asked that what u need to keep a dog they can tell you. Ask them what u need to look after a reptile and most will give u a blank stare.

They will just become a fashion statement for awhile because they are in all the pet shops then they will be abandoned. The huge breeding stock that was supplying the "Fashion" sales will then be overproducing for a slowing market resulting in cheap prices and an expendable attitiude.

 

[sparticus]

petshops in Nsw are restricted to the type of birds they can sell,they can only sell natives that are exempt from licensing.To sell other native birds that are not exempt they need a fauna dealers license which has no barriers on who they can sell to as far as I know.I personally do not want this in NSW where they can sell to unlicensed people or for that matter inexperienced people who will be sold animals of poor quality and health.There are enough people in NSW breeding and dealing in reptiles without getting pet shops involved and most are geniune and happy to help.The pet shops make enough money out of the expanding reptile market with the reptile products they sell.Leave the animals to those who appreciate them.

 

[stencorp69]

RE: Re: RE: sale of reptiles in nsw petshops

I'm not after a heated debate either - just one that's realistic. Victoria's laws have been mentioned as being detrimental to the hobby, but the flip side is Vic has the largest herp keeping population (or did for years). The contribution to the hobby from the large group of Vic amatuer keepers has been fantastic. So its not all gloom and doom

And while we're on horror stories, there was a Zoo in Sydney that took possesion of a hole heap of confiscated GTP which all died, so there is no guarantee that anyone is able to look after reptiles properly

 

[cris]

I have no problems with good pet/reptile shops, I bought a beardie from Just Reptiles and i think they have a great petshop JMO

I have seen some bad petshops here in Qld, and since its been legal for them to sell reptiles they have and their reptiles suffer as much as the rest of their animals.

I have no problems at all with pethops being able to sell any animal the general public can keep, i just think petshops should be forced to have high standards for all their animals.

One petshop i went to even offered to surgically modify a bird so it couldnt fly :shock:

 

[Nagraj]

Because most shops selling cats/dogs/birds know what to recommend to keepthem healthy.

They do? Can you tell me what the the largest cause of death of puppies under one year of age is?

 

[Gunnie101]

Just a follow on to Lurks posts - Iam am also a volunteer at Canberra Exotics, Canberra has a population of only 330,000 and the shop survives to this day (and it only sell reptiles & frogs). And YES I have personally have many times refused to sell a reptile to certain customers as they are not prepared to get the correct type of enclosure & acessories to keep it. Unlike other "petshops" we average over 30 mins to a hour talking to customers on what they do & dont need to keep a reptile.

If in doubt come & see Peter & his shop.

Cheers

Jason

 

[Nagraj]

The pet shops make enough money out of the expanding reptile market with the reptile products they sell.Leave the animals to those who appreciate them.

So it's ok for you to make money from them but not the owner of a pet shop?

 

[Strange1]

They do? Can you tell me what the the largest cause of death of puppies under one year of age is?

Euthanasia because of stupid owners, that only enforces the stupidity of allowing more complicated animals to be sold.

 

[Nagraj]

Please tell me how it's more complicated to keep a reptile in an equivalent state of health to a dog and where the "pet ownership IQ test" is available?

 

[Stevethepom]

i dont hink you could catagorise humanity as being able to own and care for a dog,cat, bird etc.....some dogs require great amounts of care and i couldnt begin to tell you how to care for a bird, but you are telling me i have sufficient knowledge to own one...how so?.....

the argument is moot......pet shops sell them, breeders sell them...in my opinion its the same thing......the knowledge required by petshops is also required by private keepers in nsw, do all private keepers aquire this knowledge before they go out and buy a reptile?

 

[Rupes]

Pet Stores Huh.... I oppose the sale of live animals in pet stores, puppies/ kitten. They are just there in the window for the impulse buys, and for the fast money for the pet store. You don’t know the heritage the genetic health (or health problems) of the animals, e.g. most puppies are cross breed mongrels.
Most people that want to seriously get a certain pet, be it a German Shepard or coastal carpet python will make an effort to source a breeder.
Most Live animals in pet stores are bought on impulse and the new owners usually get sick of that animal as soon, leading to unneeded neglect and lack of care required.

 

[orsm]

I fully support the sale of reptiles in NSW shops. If buyers are not astute enough to realise what they are buying then they should be the ones to blame. Pet shops should not be obligated to teach buyers the ins and outs of reptile keeping as it's not their role. Many of the pet shops I frequent appear to be encourage responsible pet keeping and I do not think that legalising the sale of reptiles in shops will change that. Granted, there're always going to be shonky operators out there but the same can also be said about so-called reputable breeders who put profit above everything else.

Let it also be known that I have never worked in pet shops but have been frequent customers of selected "responsible" shops.

Be happy.

 

[shellshock]

Im not sure what side of the fence I sit yet, but to say that impulse buying happens with animals already sold in pet shops . and maybe these buyers arent fully aware of the animals requirements do the animal suffers ... why then add reptiles to the list of creatures that will suffer?

Jen

 

[Strange1]

My dog doesnt require a speciefic temperature, humidity, light spectrum or live food

Im not sure what your stance is. I dont think reptiles should be sold in petshops. Ive seen plenty of bad advice given in petshops over lots of animals, all im saying is that people are MORE ignorant to the needs of reptiles and I can see these "all in one" petshops really making a mess of it all.