Sweet it's all good. Thanx lutsd,that was helpfull. I do own Olives but they are only 1 year old and won't be able to take a big rat.While there are some good suggestions in there,I think I'll stick to what I know. If you decide not to like me,well so be it.The rat does not squeel or bleed so I know I am not hurting it(I have paid a vet to do the same thing to a rabbit that had teeth problems).There is no reason to attack,that is why people are too scared to post here,I know this because quite a few people PM me to say good on ya,but they won't reply on the post cause they don't want the abuse.I love my snakes and that's all there is to it,I don't however love rats or mice.