INTERGRADES - Your Thoughts

[Scleropages]

If two things can breed together so be it.

oh crap my mealworms have escaped

(no they really did, they just got knocked over)

 

[pavlova]

I don't want ppl to have ago at me with my opinion but it is only MY OPINION
I don't see anything wrong with hybrids/intergrades, its no different to crossing a labrador with a poodle and you have a designer breed, aren't they a hybrid too, the crossing of two breeds.
I personally own one and i have attached a pic too for you guys to see. She is beautiful in my eyes. Many ppl on this site and other sites own hybrids/intergrades strictly as a pet.
BASICALLY I LIKE THEM

 

[Scleropages]

I don't want ppl to have ago at me with my opinion but it is only MY OPINION
I don't see anything wrong with hybrids/intergrades, its no different to crossing a labrador with a poodle and you have a designer breed, aren't they a hybrid too, the crossing of two breeds.
I personally own one and i have attached a pic too for you guys to see. She is beautiful in my eyes. Many ppl on this site and other sites own hybrids/intergrades strictly as a pet.
BASICALLY I LIKE THEM

Cute snakey pav!!!

 

[MrBredli]

I don't want ppl to have ago at me with my opinion but it is only MY OPINION
I don't see anything wrong with hybrids/intergrades, its no different to crossing a labrador with a poodle and you have a designer breed, aren't they a hybrid too, the crossing of two breeds.
I personally own one and i have attached a pic too for you guys to see. She is beautiful in my eyes. Many ppl on this site and other sites own hybrids/intergrades strictly as a pet.
BASICALLY I LIKE THEM

IMO crossing a poodle with a labrador is just as bad. If people keep doing it, in 50 years time it will be practically impossible to buy a pure bred labrador or a pure bred poodle. That's exactly what's going to happen with our pythons if the hybridisation doesn't stop.

 

[TANN-MANN]

I can't see anything wrong with it, if it wasn't ment to be then it would be impossible to breed, its nature, its like saying...(i'm not being racist here) black people cant have kids with white people.
its silly to say its not allowed, when it doesn't cause harm, OMG we might end up having snakes with legs....if anything its creating a larger gene pool.
by the way Pav, real nice snake, complete stunner

 

[Trev72]

Hey Trev, Just wondering who this question was for or was it an open one? I personally have to see the animal in question before I passed judgement.

It's funny how people accept hybrids in canines, felines, Horses, and bovines but not in herps? I mean we eat beef from hybrids bred for better beef production. We bet on horses bred for racing and people breed and love dogs such as the labradoodle, or any of the ????doodles.


Just a thought

It was an open question as I am keen to find out as I want to try and breed my snakes and I have always loved Jungle Carpets. Palmerstons are quite a bit more expensive to buy so I guess you can see why I have only 1 but saying that I wouldn't trade my Atherton for anything she has a great temprement unlike my Palmerston.

I have seen snakes hatch out of eggs before in real life at a friends place and it was amazing. I wish to experiance that myself.

 

[mcloughlin2]

I don't want ppl to have ago at me with my opinion but it is only MY OPINION
I don't see anything wrong with hybrids/intergrades, its no different to crossing a labrador with a poodle and you have a designer breed, aren't they a hybrid too, the crossing of two breeds.
I personally own one and i have attached a pic too for you guys to see. She is beautiful in my eyes. Many ppl on this site and other sites own hybrids/intergrades strictly as a pet.
BASICALLY I LIKE THEM

Poodle x labrador does not produce a hybrid. They are the same species. So there is no comparison.

 

[waruikazi]

I really didn't want to get into this thread but i am going to.

You can't compare dogs with snakes! Dogs are all the same species, crossing two does not make a hybrid or integrade. The same as a greek and an african having a baby, it is not a hybrid/integrade.

 

[waruikazi]

Poodle x labrador does not produce a hybrid. They are the same species. So there is no comparison.

Dang you gotta be quick

 

[mcloughlin2]

Dang you gotta be quick

Great minds think alike........:lol:

 

[TANN-MANN]

Arn't all carpets/diamonds jsut subspecies of each other meaning they are really jsut different phenotypic morphs dues to selective evolution for addapting to different habitats, i mean thay all are Morelia spilota

 

[Scleropages]

I really didn't want to get into this thread but i am going to.

You can't compare dogs with snakes! Dogs are all the same species, crossing two does not make a hybrid or integrade. The same as a greek and an african having a baby, it is not a hybrid/integrade.

Arnt all morela the same species? , same as goldfish.

 

[zard]

IMO crossing a poodle with a labrador is just as bad. If people keep doing it, in 50 years time it will be practically impossible to buy a pure bred labrador or a pure bred poodle. That's exactly what's going to happen with our pythons if the hybridisation doesn't stop.

I agree with MrB
each to their own but for me i would rather purchase a purebred from a reputable breeder. I fail to see why anyone would want to do it or buy one let alone buy one and then breed from it?
In the instance of diamonds, they have specific needs different from other snakes, do we know how this cross breeding affects their long term health? As for an intergrade at least those particular snakes have lived and come together in the same local so their particular requirements are compatable, great the begining of a new sub species. Why force or speed up a natural process?
The other concern for me is those that sell their cross breeds to the unsuspecting buyer, how down the track can anyone be sure what they are told they are purchasing is infact pure?

 

[Trev72]

I really didn't want to get into this thread but i am going to.

You can't compare dogs with snakes! Dogs are all the same species, crossing two does not make a hybrid or integrade. The same as a greek and an african having a baby, it is not a hybrid/integrade.

I've only kept snakes for a bit over a year can you please explain whats the difference between two different types of dog and two types of python so I understand where your coming from

 

[waruikazi]

Nrearly all "breeds" of domestic dogs have been line bred from one species. Snakes have not, you find wild naturally occuring diamonds, coastals etc you don't find naturally occuring poodles or great danes

 

[zard]

Nrearly all "breeds" of domestic dogs have been line bred from one species. Snakes have not, you find wild naturally occuring diamonds, coastals etc you don't find naturally occuring poodles or great danes

wow really? oh ok you are right there are no naturally occuring poodles or danes but what about dingos? coyotees? wolves? are these not naturally occuring dogs? so maybe for arguments sake we use these in out examples rather than using any 'pure' purpously bred dog for simplicity.

 

[sxc_celly]

How can dogs be all the same species though? They simply cant be, they are TOO different, like a great dane and a chiuaiua are the same species? All morelia Species are the same diff locals then?

 

[waruikazi]

wow really? oh ok you are right there are no naturally occuring poodles or danes but what about dingos? coyotees? wolves? are these not naturally occuring dogs? so maybe for arguments sake we use these in out examples rather than using any 'pure' purpously bred dog for simplicity.

The devil is in the fine print my freind DOMESTIC dogs are all the same species. If you put a labrodor over an african wild dog that would make a hybrid. And SXC yes they are all the same species line bred from the one group of animals. That's what 10'000 years of line breeding can do.

 

[TANN-MANN]

through hundreds of years of human selective breeding many subspecies of dog have evolved. wolves etc are different species of dog hence the interbreeding isn't reallt possible...i don't think anyway

 

[mungus]

I really didn't want to get into this thread but i am going to.

You can't compare dogs with snakes! Dogs are all the same species, crossing two does not make a hybrid or integrade. The same as a greek and an african having a baby, it is not a hybrid/integrade.

Same thoughts exactly.
I cant believe how much crap get thrown around about Natural Intergrade / Diamonds.
Same bloody snake.
How can you guarentee that your diamonds are 100% pure ??
Looks are'nt everything.