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apology accepted
How is it that can't Jesus spell?
What?
"he gave up too please stop this foolness"
Foolness? what in the holy sanctimonious crap is that?
Where is this illiterate phantom post?
we've already gone through all the meat eaters trying to start an argument. If you dont actually have a constructive comment apart from 'meat is good, in my belly' its realllly unneeded at this point.
This is what im annoyed about... Its not even the vegos that start it. Its you guys disrespecting something that we feel strongly about
Except free range eggs from woolies cannot be trusted to be free range, none of them are certified for a start, Coles has certified ones that cost $8.80 per carton.there usually only $2 more at my woolies... and really $4 in the scheme of things anyway?
Anyway I hope that answers those questions until one of the actual veges comes along and provides something better.1) going completely vegan means you'll miss some nutrients, including vitamins and protein. YES beans and stuff have some protein but structure wise it is quite different from the one you get from meat, not to mention the cocktail of nutrients that actually comes with meat is absent in veg alone
I agree that meat contains a very good mix of vitamins and minerals but if you get the right combination of veg you can come pretty close and a few of the girls here have already said that they don't suffer from and any health issues from lack of nutrients. Also when you consider how unhealthy we are as a society, I think you'll find most of us meat eaters don't eat enough veg to give us the rest of the vitamins we are supposed to have in our diets anyway.
2) unless you go all out organic/sustainable, chances are the ecological damage is almost equal to that of conventional farming practices
I agree with this to an extent. The way the world is today it would be all but impossible to cause no ecological damage (unless you live in a completely self sufficient commune). However, I think if you can reduce your personal impact you're going some way at least to making a difference.
3) theres alot on animal abuse, yes its bad, but when you keep them in decent conditions like some have pointed out (this is within aussie assuming general practices are humane, which i think it is), then how is this different than keeping a pet?
Can't argue with this one at all. That's the point I was making earlier. We can't be the world animal police, so the best we can do is ensure the animals in our country that are used for our own industry are treated in a humane way.
4) evolutionary-wise there is alot of evidence against going vego. Canines are one thing, another is our intestinal track as if we were designed to only eat greens (a ridiculous idea to begin with), we'd be able to digest cellulose for starters, and our appendix would be longer and actually usable
theres also some evidence that omega-3s (i.e. fish) in the diet helped increase our brain size into what it is today
In that Gary Yourovsky video, he actually describes the opposite to what you say here. He says that carnivores have much shorter digestive tracts because meat travelling through tracts as long as ours tends to rot and end up causing issues. After watching the video I did some research and found there are scientific studies that argue both sides of this and so there isn't a definitive answer yet. However, one of the more convincing arguments I found was that dogs and pigs have similar ratios of digestive tract to torso size to us. Both of these animals are omnivorous (with dogs being complete carnivores in the wild). I have also heard that one of the potential reasons for our appendix is that it is a vestigial rumen style organ. This would indicate that we were once vegetarian species but as we evolved to eat more meat we lost the need for it.
Do the RSPCA ones count? They're the ones I buy from Woolies and they're about $4.20 for a half dozen carton
I'm going to answer these from a vege point of view (just to be argumentative )
Anyway I hope that answers those questions until one of the actual veges comes along and provides something better.
No, I don't think they are certified either, can't think of the certified brand and I am pretty sure the RSPCA ones are PACE farms eggs and I wouldn't trust anything they sell. Pretty much, if a company sells cage eggs you can be pretty sure there free range eggs either are not free range or meet the bare minimum free range standard. I'm going to get my own chooks I think, that way I will be assured that they are looked after properly.Do the RSPCA ones count? They're the ones I buy from Woolies and they're about $4.20 for a half dozen carton
No, I don't think they are certified either, can't think of the certified brand and I am pretty sure the RSPCA ones are PACE farms eggs and I wouldn't trust anything they sell. Pretty much, if a company sells cage eggs you can be pretty sure there free range eggs either are not free range or meet the bare minimum free range standard. I'm going to get my own chooks I think, that way I will be assured that they are looked after properly.
hmmmm this is still going i see
im a vegetarian =] and i eat free range eggs and rennet free cheese. Mock all you want but if everyone was a vegetarian the world would be fed.
someone once said (maybe from this site), I eat the animals that contribute to global warming, vegos/vegans eat the plants that could stop it. who is doing the right thing?
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