'07 jags PICS!!!! (MAJOR DUW!!)

[liasis]

just my thought if they are australian snakes that are producing the jags dont you think that it might be possible that there is someone out there with them and just doesnt want anyone to know same as albinos ther would be alot more out there then people think

 

[eladidare]

thay are insane

 

[Retic]

There is no proof to show the original Jags were anything but pure mcdowelli, like Waruikazi said there is nothing here to my knowledge that comes close to some of the real Jags.

 

[Frozenmouse]

Yep they do look different to the ones we have ..
Better or worst? i recon thats a matter of opinion tho..
I will ne happy when we are breeding yellow or the orange ones here ill take two thanks..

 

[hornet]

the thing is jags are not like albinos, an albino can just pop up in a clutch, jags have been line bred for generations to get them where they are.

 

[Frozenmouse]

not all i have IJ the origanal jags were pure coastals

You are right but most of the breeders do use them in their program though.

 

[liasis]

the thing is jags are not like albinos, an albino can just pop up in a clutch, jags have been line bred for generations to get them where they are.

yes but what im saying is why cant there be someone in australia that has done that and not said anyhting all these people are stateing that it is impossible but no one can be sure and i know its not like an albino i was saying that there would be more albino species then people think

 

[waruikazi]

the thing is jags are not like albinos, an albino can just pop up in a clutch, jags have been line bred for generations to get them where they are.

No they haven't. There are some that i guess you could call double het or something and either have tiger or tri-stripe breeding in them. But they were a completely coincidental mutation in the beginning. The first one just popped out of a clutch of normal coastals.

 

[waruikazi]

You are right but most of the breeders do use them in their program though.

Well no not really. From memory there is a similar morph that people call an IJ Jag, but i don't think breeders are crossing to IJ's to speed things up. I really con't see how it would speed anything up in the breeding process.

 

[Retic]

Exactly, that is the point. It is POSSIBLE to breed snakes that look superficially like Jags but you can't LEGALLY get a Jag in this country.

 

[gold&black...]

The traditional jags we see from the states ect do have irian carpet python genes which makes the selective breeding process faster ..
But it is not a necessity..

very similar to what I heard............

 

[waruikazi]

very similar to what I heard............

There was a big debate about this on another forum that i was on, also about the existence of the banana jag (but that's another story). Anyway Jan Eric got on the forum and said himself exactly what was or was not in the original jags and there was nothing but coastal. Straight from the horses mouth.

I was sceptical at first too but after reading up ono everything there is no reason to doubt what the man said himself.

 

[Auzlizardking]

There are no such things as Aussie bred Jags, if they are Jags then they were illegally imported. There are snakes that look like Jags in this country.

No one has said there are US Jags - they are Aust bred Jags

 

[Retic]

As has been said a few times in this thread they can't be Aussie Jags, they can look similar to Jags but if they are Jags they are from imported snakes, Also Jags aren't a US snake.

 

[SnakePower]

I hate to be the one to have to say this, but why can there not be an Australian Jag. From what I can gather there are some Jags available, not from oversea's lines, ie not originating from Jan Eric's stock. It sound as though they are bred here.
If I remember correctly, there was a while back, a long debate, as Waruikazi mentioned, on a US site in regards to this exact topic. The Americans along with some Europeans, agreed on the fact that there could be animals classed as Australian Jags, here in Oz. These animals are not from the founding stock of Jan Eric, rather animals that have been selectively and line bred to produce animals that can closley resemble the oversea's jags. These are not 3rd and 4th generation Jags that have been out crossed with other morelia subspecies in order to generate the kind of animals that we commonly see such as the reduced Jags, in other sites and occasionally here. They are first or second generation animals, that now have reached the point of being able to be classed and labelled Aust. Jags. Therefore, they are not Illegal imported jags, but infact completly legal australian animals!! The Aust. Jag is it's own morph!

 

[waruikazi]

I hate to be the one to have to say this, but why can there not be an Australian Jag. From what I can gather there are some Jags available, not from oversea's lines, ie not originating from Jan Eric's stock. It sound as though they are bred here.
If I remember correctly, there was a while back, a long debate, as Waruikazi mentioned, on a US site in regards to this exact topic. The Americans along with some Europeans, agreed on the fact that there could be animals classed as Australian Jags, here in Oz. These animals are not from the founding stock of Jan Eric, rather animals that have been selectively and line bred to produce animals that can closley resemble the oversea's jags. These are not 3rd and 4th generation Jags that have been out crossed with other morelia subspecies in order to generate the kind of animals that we commonly see such as the reduced Jags, in other sites and occasionally here. They are first or second generation animals, that now have reached the point of being able to be classed and labelled Aust. Jags. Therefore, they are not Illegal imported jags, but infact completly legal australian animals!! The Aust. Jag is it's own morph!

But then they are not jags and it is misleading to label them as such.

A 'true' jag will do certain things that a jag look alike will not do. Such as produce jags from a normal x jag pairing and leucies from a jag x jag pairing. They have light blue eyes etc etc. To label something that looks like a jag as a jag is not right.

 

[MrBredli]

Spot on waruikazi.

 

[Southside Morelia]

All I know is I want one!!

 

[Vincey]

All I know is I want one!!

I hear ya.

 

[waruikazi]

All I know is I want one!!

All i will say if anyone has a pure aussie one that is not illegally imported and is a genuine jag. SOLD!