Deejay
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hi peeps, iv heard bout jungles and diamonds interbreeding, is there and other pythons in the wild or captivity that also interbreed like this? cheerd Deejay
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pyrodarknessanny
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oh my, its a bit early in the day to open up this can of worms.
in the wild? long story short, any where there is an overlap in the range of 2 or more of the sub species of morilia you wild get hybrids,
and same with the antaresias, any where the ranges that 2 of the species meet there is a hybrid zone.
as for incaptivity,
yes its becomming quite common, and over seas there are a number of diffrent hybrids involving ball pythons.
however, if you try to disccus that issue hear, you might as well be trying to start a riot, as a lot of keepers hear are "anit-hybrid"
its not just limited to reptiles, it happens quite frequenty with birds as well as with fish. but is not as common amoung other animals.
hope this helps to answer your questions
in the wild? long story short, any where there is an overlap in the range of 2 or more of the sub species of morilia you wild get hybrids,
and same with the antaresias, any where the ranges that 2 of the species meet there is a hybrid zone.
as for incaptivity,
yes its becomming quite common, and over seas there are a number of diffrent hybrids involving ball pythons.
however, if you try to disccus that issue hear, you might as well be trying to start a riot, as a lot of keepers hear are "anit-hybrid"
its not just limited to reptiles, it happens quite frequenty with birds as well as with fish. but is not as common amoung other animals.
hope this helps to answer your questions
benninsw
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well said
dickyknee
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They would be natural intergrades not hybrids.
Luohanfan
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Why are they called intergrades, and not hybrids?
yet if someone crosses them on purpose there hybrids?
Not trying to start a fight, just trying to understand..
yet if someone crosses them on purpose there hybrids?
Not trying to start a fight, just trying to understand..
dickyknee
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An intergrade occurs naturally in the wild and a hybrid is man made.
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scorps
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Gotta love these threads aye Brett
dee4
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That's right Brett, a Hybrid could be a mix of animals put together whereas an intergrade will only be where the natural/wild animals crossover.
dickyknee
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Gotta love these threads aye Brett
It wouldn't be APS with out a hybrid discussion on the front page
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scorps
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It has been controversial for years the status of these pythons though, will be interesting to see if they do ever get changed back.
ShaunMorelia
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From what I believe hybrids are done at the species level or higher where "intergrades" are of breedings of seperate sub-species.
so a diamond x bredli would be a hybrid, where a diamond x jungle would be an intergrade.
This is where the port macs come in. They are called Natural Intergrades as they occur Naturally. Where diamond x jungles are man made intergrades.
Thats my take on it.
Burn me if you will...but first please if you do, send me a link to where you found the information to prove me wrong and I will stand corrected.
so a diamond x bredli would be a hybrid, where a diamond x jungle would be an intergrade.
This is where the port macs come in. They are called Natural Intergrades as they occur Naturally. Where diamond x jungles are man made intergrades.
Thats my take on it.
Burn me if you will...but first please if you do, send me a link to where you found the information to prove me wrong and I will stand corrected.
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redlittlejim
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usually someone would have brought popcorn to watch this discussion unfold
The port macs are natural intergrades because the distribution ranges of diamonds and carpets overlap and because neither of them are full species. If jungles' distribution overlap with diamonds, you would see diamond x jungle intergrades as they are also just a sub-species ..... that is - if you believe in such thing as sub-species.
It's not always nonsense. If people understood the classification of Australian reptiles and knew something about their natural history, e.g. distribution ranges, these questions would not pop up too often .... so, lets help them.
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no they would be natural hybrids, intergrades are NOT hybrids.
wow it really seems no one knows that an intergrade is, there is a great stick on the topic, look it up. Intergrades are not hybrids and hybrids can be either man man or naturally occurring (which is when they are called natural hybrids)
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-Peter
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my brain hurts...
Yeah, it's not Liasis stimsoni, Liasis maculosa, and Liasis childreni, it's the Liasis childreni group.
no it doesnt. It means an intermediate grade; transitional form, the transition form or intermediate grade between coastals and diamonds are port macs which are also known as intergrades, the name is fitting to the specimens but it seems no one knows the true meaning and people believe that "intergrades" are hybrids
redlittlejim
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so what if you own two different snakes and they escape there enclosures and mate... is that natural or man made due to the fact that they would not have met if man did not own them???
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