bredli ruined now aswell

[waruikazi]

Ever notice with these mongrel mutants that there is only ever a pic of 1 animal from a clutch (and no mention of how many clutches were produced)???
Thats because the rest of the mutts are pig dog ugly (and should be euthanised) THATS A FACT. What will happen to these ugly offspring? No1 is going to want to buy them & breeders will not want to cull them and lose possible $$$ so will they be advertised as weird looking or ugly pures or what? I know a new line of such and such bred by the infamous so & so lmfao.

If you cross bred 10 clutches you might have enough offspring that are not tooo fugly to start a breeding trio (if your lucky) lmao.

And i guess ur basing this on the years and years of jag breeding that you have done. To create a designer morph you have to start somewhere and then line breed. And if you want to talk about ugly snakes, look closer to home. How many thousands of coastals are bred each year? Now that's ugly compared to these guys.

 

[coz666]

Ever notice with these mongrel mutants that there is only ever a pic of 1 animal from a clutch (and no mention of how many clutches were produced)???
Thats because the rest of the mutts are pig dog ugly (and should be euthanised) THATS A FACT. What will happen to these ugly offspring? No1 is going to want to buy them & breeders will not want to cull them and lose possible $$$ so will they be advertised as weird looking or ugly pures or what? I know a new line of such and such bred by the infamous so & so lmfao.

If you cross bred 10 clutches you might have enough offspring that are not tooo fugly to start a breeding trio (if your lucky) lmao.

most people who do this, kull all the hatchos except the 2 best. then they have something to work with.
they dont try and flog them off. so dont get so worked up. imo , alot of people dont realize that this has been going on for ages, and just because one person jumps up and down , its not a mexican wave.
the first person i saw with pythons that had been crossed ,was a friend of my dads in the 70S.

 

[amazonian]

And i guess ur basing this on the years and years of jag breeding that you have done. To create a designer morph you have to start somewhere and then line breed. And if you want to talk about ugly snakes, look closer to home. How many thousands of coastals are bred each year? Now that's ugly compared to these guys.

I didn't realize I had to be a Jag breeder to have an opinion on hybrids in general.
So I take it you have been breeding Jags for years and years yourself then since you seem to have an opinion on the matter also?
Anyway you havn't argued my point at all. It is still fact that out of several clutches there is only 1-2 1/2 decent looking animals produced.

most people who do this, kull all the hatchos except the 2 best. then they have something to work with.
they dont try and flog them off. so dont get so worked up. imo , alot of people dont realize that this has been going on for ages, and just because one person jumps up and down , its not a mexican wave.
the first person i saw with pythons that had been crossed ,was a friend of my dads in the 70S.

I wish I could believe that they were culled, however when you see the amount of hybrids advertised here in Aus + the amount of so called pures posted on here only for the owner to be flamed and attacked for unknowingly buying a cross breed snake it is hard to believe that all breeders are being responsible.

 

[Reptilian66]

All you young Reptile Keepers out there, just don't care one bit about the future of our Reptile's, you only think of how much money you can pocket by creating new color morpth or hybrid species and giving them all these new fancy names, just to make others think you have a new subspecies, by cross-breeding our beautiful Carpet-Stimpson-Childreni-Woma-Black-Headed Python's.
l have been keeping Australian Python's since 1989, and l have been lucky to get hold of a few subspecies of Carpet Python, that all were pure and unrelated to each other not hybrid.
Why is it that you don't see those who work in the Zoo's-Museum's-University's Zoological Departments, trying to creat new color morpths or hybrid's, the reason why is because they care about the future of our Reptile's, and want to keep them all close to how nature created them and that is pure unrelated disease free.
Between 2001 to 2004 l was very lucky to be able to collect (Sand-Ridge-Tailed-Pygmy-Mulga Monitor's and Centralian Blue-Tongue's) from the wild on Permit,just so l could get pure unrelated, cause in captivity these days too many cross-breed between different subspecies and brother or sister, because those who have them, would not know where they came from natually in the wild, or even think to ask who they get them from, what area do they come from in the wild, l never purchase any Reptile's from anyone, unless they can proove to me, what they have available where it come from natually in the wild, cause l care alot about the future of Reptile's in this country, l'm not one of those who got into Reptile Keeping just for the sake of Money, l have adore them since l was 5 years old, they have always been my passion.

 

[Khagan]

I think you're confused between ruined and improved ;D.

 

[amazonian]

I think you're confused between ruined and improved ;D.

How can an animal that produces approx 99% fugly offspring (sometimes 100%) be an improvement over a natural type?

Why would you want to breed 10's of clutches to produce a minute amount of "so called good looking animals" while at the same time (if your a moral person) cull hundreds of offspring that may be perfectly healthy but are unwanted in the hobby?

 

[waruikazi]

Ever notice with these mongrel mutants that there is only ever a pic of 1 animal from a clutch (and no mention of how many clutches were produced)???
Thats because the rest of the mutts are pig dog ugly (and should be euthanised) THATS A FACT. What will happen to these ugly offspring? No1 is going to want to buy them & breeders will not want to cull them and lose possible $$$ so will they be advertised as weird looking or ugly pures or what? I know a new line of such and such bred by the infamous so & so lmfao.

If you cross bred 10 clutches you might have enough offspring that are not tooo fugly to start a breeding trio (if your lucky) lmao.

Yeah to make a statement like that ^^ and that v v you need to be able to back it up with something.

I didn't realize I had to be a Jag breeder to have an opinion on hybrids in general.
So I take it you have been breeding Jags for years and years yourself then since you seem to have an opinion on the matter also?
Anyway you havn't argued my point at all. It is still fact that out of several clutches there is only 1-2 1/2 decent looking animals produced.

I've got minimal experience with jags and minimal experience with line breeding. But i consider myself an expert on mindless ramblings based on emotions that circulate the internet. *OOoooh sNaP!* :lol:

 

[Khagan]

How can an animal that produces approx 99% fugly offspring (sometimes 100%) be an improvement over a natural type?

Why would you want to breed 10's of clutches to produce a minute amount of "so called good looking animals" while at the same time (if your a moral person) cull hundreds of offspring that may be perfectly healthy but are unwanted in the hobby?

Personally i don't think Bredli are good looking to start with, especially adult ones they look craptacular.

 

[funcouple]

And i guess ur basing this on the years and years of jag breeding that you have done. To create a designer morph you have to start somewhere and then line breed. And if you want to talk about ugly snakes, look closer to home. How many thousands of coastals are bred each year? Now that's ugly compared to these guys.

correct me if im wrong. but from the little breeding experience that i have and understand of breeding, these snakes havent been line bred to create a morph. their to different species cross bred to create a hybrid. once the hybrid is probduce they then maybe line bred to breed out the butt ugly ones

 

[amazonian]

Yeah to make a statement like that ^^ and that v v you need to be able to back it up with something.

I have seen my fair share of hybrid clutches.
I have NOT partook in any cross breeding myself but I have aquientences that do it and the results are as I stated.
If this is not good enough then feel free to proove me wrong with entire clutch pics please. And like wise I will produce pics of butt ugly clutches. Willing to put your money where your mouth is? I am :lol::lol:


I've got minimal experience with jags and minimal experience with line breeding. But i consider myself an expert on mindless ramblings based on emotions that circulate the internet. *OOoooh sNaP!* :lol:

Minimal or none?
What jags have you worked with?
and what line breeding have you played part in?

..... ......

 

[Ramsayi]

if i had the choice of choosing an original bredli, a hypo bredli, or one of the two designer bredli as pictured in this post, i would choose the designer bredli's.

theyre even more attractive than the original bredlis.

If you show a virgin snake enthusiasts pictures of the original bredlis and designer bredlis without telling which is pure and which is not, i wont be suprised that the designer ones will overtake the pure ones.

How are they designer bredli? They are not bredli and can never be a bredli again.

 

[caustichumor]

It is no longer a Bredli python, it has joined the Homogeneous Morelia species....

 

[pythons73]

Well said Reptillian66,

 

[pythoness]

all aniimals are beautiful, no matter wheather pure or mungrel. it's a stunning looking animal, regardles of it geneology. I have never seen an ugly animal in all my travels, only ugly attitudes. :O

 

[funcouple]

It is no longer a Bredli python, it has joined the Homogeneous Morelia species....

if it was in NSW it shouldnt be given a species name or number as its stated under your licence conditions that its illegal to breed sub species together

 

[waruikazi]

correct me if im wrong. but from the little breeding experience that i have and understand of breeding, these snakes havent been line bred to create a morph. their to different species cross bred to create a hybrid. once the hybrid is probduce they then maybe line bred to breed out the butt ugly ones

Yes you are right except that these would be (i assume) the F1s in a breeding project so they are the beginning of the line, i would have worded it different but yeah that's basically how it works. But like i said designer animals have to start from somewhere.

I have seen my fair share of hybrid clutches.
I have NOT partook in any cross breeding myself but I have aquientences that do it and the results are as I stated.

If this is not good enough then feel free to proove me wrong with entire clutch pics please.
And like wise if it is not good enough I will produce pics of ugly clutches.

Minimal or none?
What jags have you worked with?
and what line breeding have you played part in?

Produce these clutches, show them to atleast sub adult colours, show them to a group of people who's minds aren't clouded with 'it's not pure so it's ruined' get their opinion and then i'll agree/disagree with you. You are the one trying to prove something, the onus is on you to prove it. I have no doubt i could show you the best looking hybrid in the world and you wouldn't bat an eyelid at it simply because it is not 'pure'. At the same time i could show you a clutch of the most ugly looking locality snakes and you would most likely wet yourself saying how beautiful they are.

Point is each animal has it's own merits. I really don't get why this strikes so deeply into the heart of Aussie herpers, it's in the US (edit: or somewhere in Europe), it has nothing to do with us, it doesn't affect us in anyway. If you don't like hybrids buy your snakes from someone who you know has locality snakes.

I'm Australian and live here so i don't have first hand experience with jags, i thought that would be obvious . OK as for my minimal experience with line breeding i have helped in the following projects bredli, womas, bhps and stimmis. Is that cool with you? The projects started about 5 years ago. Oh and darwins, i forgot them.

 

[draqonfly]

How are they designer bredli? They are not bredli and can never be a bredli again.

ok you're right.

the op should change the title of this thread, its not Bredli's thats ruined. its a different breed.

 

[megrim]

It is in Australia.

Not illegal in Victoria in the slightest.

Explicitly illegal in QLD, not sure about anywhere else, someone else has suggested it's stated as illegal in NSW, but I've not read their legislature yet.

 

[funcouple]

Yes you are right except that these would be (i assume) the F1s in a breeding project so they are the beginning of the line, i would have worded it different but yeah that's basically how it works. But like i said designer animals have to start from somewhere.



Produce these clutches, show them to atleast sub adult colours, show them to a group of people who's minds aren't clouded with 'it's not pure so it's ruined' get their opinion and then i'll agree/disagree with you. You are the one trying to prove something, the onus is on you to prove it. I have no doubt i could show you the best looking hybrid in the world and you wouldn't bat an eyelid at it simply because it is not 'pure'. At the same time i could show you a clutch of the most ugly looking locality snakes and you would most likely wet yourself saying how beautiful they are.

Point is each animal has it's own merits. I really don't get why this strikes so deeply into the heart of Aussie herpers, it's in the US (edit: or somewhere in Europe), it has nothing to do with us, it doesn't affect us in anyway. If you don't like hybrids buy your snakes from someone who you know has locality snakes.

I'm Australian and live here so i don't have first hand experience with jags, i thought that would be obvious . OK as for my minimal experience with line breeding i have helped in the following projects bredli, womas, bhps and stimmis. Is that cool with you? The projects started about 5 years ago. Oh and darwins, i forgot them.

so if their the so called F1, the begining of the line. they cant be a morph, the are a hybrid. the reason it strikes so deeply to us aussie herpers is that we all are concerned about the health of our native snakes not the quick buck that can be made from these hybrids. just think about whom will want these so called stunning hybrids in 5 years time when something better has been produced. what will these hybrids be worth after a new hybrid has been produced? the old hybrid will drop in price as the new hybrid is produced till their worth nothing as no one will want them as they will be the ones that will then be classed as but ugly

 

[NotoriouS]

here we go again... I always stay out of these debates but I don't find these particular ones attractive. I would take a classic Bredli over them anyday (purely because I think they still look better than these 'designer' snakes )