geeze if you're gonna shell out 4 or 5k for a jag at least buy a nice one :shock: Not as if these ones are the only ones available
geeze if you're gonna shell out 4 or 5k for a jag at least buy a nice one :shock: Not as if these ones are the only ones available
true but from what i have been offered, these are the only ones that are pure coastals... nobody else i have found knows 100% what they have. people buying these know exactly what they are buying. i think some people should go on O/S forums to get a better understanding of these animals. while they are 4K etc they are yearlings and older... they arent hatchlings hence some people will possibly get some to breed next season. you will see the same on forums over seas... some people like em some dont. the outstanding animals you do see posted overseas are generally always young... truth be told after 2 yrs most dont appear nearly as nice as they did as juvies.
if they are co-dom they CANNOT be pure coastals lol, will be waiting til some nice ones pop up
true but from what i have been offered, these are the only ones that are pure coastals... nobody else i have found knows 100% what they have. people buying these know exactly what they are buying. i think some people should go on O/S forums to get a better understanding of these animals. while they are 4K etc they are yearlings and older... they arent hatchlings hence some people will possibly get some to breed next season. you will see the same on forums over seas... some people like em some dont. the outstanding animals you do see posted overseas are generally always young... truth be told after 2 yrs most dont appear nearly as nice as they did as juvies.
Then can everyone who seems to know so much, and know of all these jag clutches please put some evidence behind thier hollow comments? There will be bugger all produced this year, those that have them can, and will be asking top dollar. The demand outweighs the supply by a country mile and I have a feeling people are going to be a little dirty when they realise they've missed the train. I'd hate to be sitting around for another 12 months waiting for Simon to release some more scraps onto the market. These snakes, well, this gene anyway is the most exciting development in Australian herpetaculture to work with in a very long time, the potential is limitless.
why is that?
a jaguar is a coastal. its purely a mutation
so a coastal with the jaguar mutation bred to a normal coastal would produce pure coastals.... some with the jaguar mutation, some without it....
Then can everyone who seems to know so much, and know of all these jag clutches please put some evidence behind thier hollow comments? There will be bugger all produced this year, those that have them can, and will be asking top dollar. The demand outweighs the supply by a country mile and I have a feeling people are going to be a little dirty when they realise they've missed the train. I'd hate to be sitting around for another 12 months waiting for Simon to release some more scraps onto the market. These snakes, well, this gene anyway is the most exciting development in Australian herpetaculture to work with in a very long time, the potential is limitless.
the ORIGINAL jag was a cross-breed, who knows how many times the ancestors of jags reaching australia now have been crossed again. you may have a %80 coastal but it will never be pure so why claim it as pure, i love the look of jags but pretending they are something when theyre not is just stupid
the first jag was definatly produced by breeding a pure coastal to a pure coastal.
although since then i agree theyve definatly been cross bred over and over and over with everything so the chances are very slim there are many/any pures around.
Epic Fail mate, i suggest you go back to the drawing boards
here mate, do some reading.
ill even link you to some material and copy paste it for you.
The Carpet Python
Jaguar carpets. One of the more familiar morphs is the jaguar carpet python. The jaguar is a rare genetic mutation that originates from the coastal carpet python. The first jaguar was produced in 1994 as a result of breeding two seemingly normal coastals. In 1998, the trait was proven to be genetic, though it is still poorly understood. It seems to be working in a codominant fashion, in that the trait is expressed in one form or another in the first generation of offspring.
This trait has proven to be much more complex than any other snake morph in existence. Several phases of the jaguar have appeared from the same genetic strain, including the hypo jaguar, red hypo jaguar, spotted red hypo jaguar, banded jaguar, patternless or “banana” jaguar and many more.
It is also worth mentioning that some of the “normal” siblings found among the jaguar clutches tend to differ to varying degrees from those of the wild type (normal unrelated coastals). Many (especially from the hypo and red hypo lines) develop dramatic contrast and brilliant color with age. Some closely resemble the pattern and coloration of a jungle carpet python (M. s. cheynei), and others look like diamond/jungle crosses. This is one reason we think the jaguar is not a typical codominant trait, but possibly a collaboration of multiple genes working together and/or independently. We hope to learn more about the genetic potential normal siblings possess.
the original jag was produced from a carpet crossed with an irian jaya carpet. I dont mind if you do not believe this keep thinking you have a pure coastal, even if just for a minute the two snakes were two pure coastals - do you really think they would of kept pure lines going just so they could smuggle them into AUS??? lol no way... Once they are here tho of course they will be claiming they are pure havent you noticed the flaming anyone gets for talking or even posting pics of unpure species (jags seem to be an exception to the rule).
you can buy your overpriced "pure" snakes... ill just keep an eye out for one that actually looks good with a reasonable price
the original jag was produced from a carpet crossed with an irian jaya carpet. I dont mind if you do not believe this keep thinking you have a pure coastal, even if just for a minute the two snakes were two pure coastals - do you really think they would of kept pure lines going just so they could smuggle them into AUS??? lol no way... Once they are here tho of course they will be claiming they are pure havent you noticed the flaming anyone gets for talking or even posting pics of unpure species (jags seem to be an exception to the rule).
you can buy your overpriced "pure" snakes... ill just keep an eye out for one that actually looks good with a reasonable price - so what are you saying here? that you really want RPM's / jags anyway but just dont want to pay this asking price? :lol:
this is incorrect.. the first jags were pure mcdowelli and later crossed with IJ. and if you want to know some more facts the yearlings RPM''s from SXR are pure mcdowelli and the line has been blood / DNA tested to prove this but when have facts got in the way of some ill informed witch hunt on here?
all the whinging and whining about these issues and these animals in this thread and other threads just reeks of jealousy, uninformed pack mentality hysteria and sour grapes in my opinion..
heres a pic (no not mine but I wish) of one of the 'ugly mongrel hybrid so and so' animals some of you hate so much... and when I look at how beautiful it is I guess I can see why some people are so jealous.. an no Im not interested in some argument so dont even bother... have a nice day
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