Some do but most do not Jags and hybrids will are not pure bred snakes that Is just creating mongrels snakes
Having been a large fish/cichlid breeder i can say that if there is ever a discussion on crossing different species of fish in a community it is highly critised. It is not often done in the open market due to thier being no market for them and also thier being no genetic need. However as with everything there is always an underground market of either illegal or not sort after animals being produced.Do many fish or bird breeders have a strong opinion on this subject as well?
So just because its colouration may be different to that of a wild type specimen means you need to ask the question about its purity?At the end of the day when you are looking for a purchase you know what you want and you know what they look like in nature. If when purchasing you think somethings different than wild colourations ask if its crossbred.
Having been a large fish/cichlid breeder i can say that if there is ever a discussion on crossing different species of fish in a community it is highly critised. It is not often done in the open market due to thier being no market for them and also thier being no genetic need. However as with everything there is always an underground market of either illegal or not sort after animals being produced.
The bird scene is another story. As per stated the lutino alex can takes years to get it to where the breeder may be happy with the outcome and that outcome may of seen heaps of offspring disposed of. To what point is the done. The outcome is a much smaller yellow bird which could of been achieved with a pure line.
Cameron
This hobby is primarily focused on the visual appeal of animals be it "pure" or "mixed" at the end of the day the prettier animals sell quicker or for the higher price. Even with locale specific lines there is selection for certain traits, the majority of which are colouration. So are locale specific animals an accurate representation of their wild counterparts, and will they be that way over multiple future generations?
Speak for yourself re the primary focus, I know of a few, most of whom have been in the hobby alot of years who would beg to differ.
"are local specific animals an accurate representation of their wild counterparts" Years ago, I would have said "yes", but It's getting harder to tell these days, that's part of the problem, for me, at least.
I'm lucky as there's nowhere near as much "milkshaking" with the species I keep (Lacies and Top End Mulgas).
Majority of the people in this hobby are newcomers (keeping herps 5 years or less) and imo looks are the primary drawing point of that crowd
PO's last sentence: "BUT it seems we've all jumped ship and are openly supporting this now?"
May I extend the question: Do any ethics still exist in this hobby (they do in herpetology)? Are we now openly supporting unethical, unnatural modification of what once used to be a beautiful, and fit (in Darwinian terms) wildlife?
How can you call transport and accidental relocation a natural process?
When I questioned the ethics, I was thinking more about the consequences of cross breeding and morphing, in particular the unethical act of selling / passing on something that is not what the buyer is told it is. But it really starts at the cross breeding / morphing point, doesn't it? If there were no drugs, there would be no junkies.
DO PEOPLE THINK THAT OVER THE LAST COUPLE OF YEARS HYBRIDS HAVE BECOME MUCH MORE ACCEPTABLE?
DO PEOPLE THINK THAT OVER THE LAST COUPLE OF YEARS HYBRIDS HAVE BECOME MUCH MORE ACCEPTABLE?
I just love the fact that so many people that support the making these 'Morelia milkshakes' use to openly appose hybrids. I like the look of a good looking jag but after only a few years I have no trust in the 'Morelia market'. I'm already doubting purity from some of the 'big breeders'... said really.
Already I see some people selling 'coastal jags' that aren't pure coastal, some have atleast 25% murray darling. The prob is that some guys will breed these to coastals and sell sibs as coastals when in fact they aren't pure. You'd have to be a complete ignorant clown to say this isn't and wont continue to happen. BUT it seems we've all jumped ship and are openly supporting this now?