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Is that how much I can afford to pay or how much I think its worth? :lol:
I guess they could potentially be worth a lot to some but not to those who like to keep locality pure bloodliines.
It also depends on what they actually look like. I'm assuming they'll look awesome!!
I guess they could potentially be worth a lot to some but not to those who like to keep locality pure bloodliines.
It also depends on what they actually look like. I'm assuming they'll look awesome!!
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thals
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Just my own humble opinion, but I'd prefer a pure local animal anyday. Not that I particularly have anything against hybrids but the pure local animal would always be top preference for me when it comes to my pets. Especially when you see some of the prices some 'designer animals' can cost, its just not a worthwhile expense in my books, and why fork out so much cash on a hybrid when you can have the real deal! I mean sure some of these animals may look amazing, but I think the pure local animals we have with us now are simply stunning and should not be overlooked or passed off as boring or blazae'. Just my $10 bucks worth :lol:
Dicco
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I personnaly don't see any appeal in a snake that looks like a pre-schoolers finger painting. Our Pythons are our Wild Native Fauna, they have evolved so many different and unique patterns and colourations it isn't funny. I don't see turning them in to a things that look as thought they have been attacked with a paint gun as appealing and I see it as something that just draws in more people who see snake keeping as a novelty, people who don't want a regular snake because for some reason they are 'boring' and to show off to their mates their new techni coloured Jungle/Darwin/Bredli het for albino.
Sure there are people with a real repect for the animals who like morphs hybrids ect, but these sort of things drive the commercialism of reptiles, and I believe this is only good for those wanting to make a nice return on the animals. Making a live animal a commercial bi-product is not generally good for the animal, like in pet shops. The wrong sort of people are drawn in by all they hybrid and morph hype, with the animals best interests having no real importance, but simply want them for the novelty, this seems to happen to scrubbies a bit because of their size, people like the novelty of having a huge impressive snake, and even though their interntions are good, it's not always the smartest thing.
You don't need to make Reptiles eye candy to enjoy them, with 800+ reptiles and amphibians with countless sub species and varients, there's already plenty to choose from already.
Sure there are people with a real repect for the animals who like morphs hybrids ect, but these sort of things drive the commercialism of reptiles, and I believe this is only good for those wanting to make a nice return on the animals. Making a live animal a commercial bi-product is not generally good for the animal, like in pet shops. The wrong sort of people are drawn in by all they hybrid and morph hype, with the animals best interests having no real importance, but simply want them for the novelty, this seems to happen to scrubbies a bit because of their size, people like the novelty of having a huge impressive snake, and even though their interntions are good, it's not always the smartest thing.
You don't need to make Reptiles eye candy to enjoy them, with 800+ reptiles and amphibians with countless sub species and varients, there's already plenty to choose from already.
I'm not sure if commercialism of reptiles is relevant, we all buy and sell reptiles and it doesn't matter if they are $100 or $10,000.
Do you agree with breeding for colour or breeding for the hypo trait ?
No we don't NEED to make them eye candy to enjoy them but personally I like them both ways and don't see it as being mutually exclusive. I have plenty of room for both in my collection.
Do you agree with breeding for colour or breeding for the hypo trait ?
No we don't NEED to make them eye candy to enjoy them but personally I like them both ways and don't see it as being mutually exclusive. I have plenty of room for both in my collection.
hi all,
all i got to say is where do i get myself a pair, hybreds or morphs or crosses or what ever you want to call them will have a place in many peoples collections, and very soon, and i bet theres heaps of you that already have them and don't know it,
come on dicco, you really going to tell me that if offered one at the right price you would turn it down,
you might,
but i've got the nerve to say that i'd buy 1 in a second,
how many people can really say they have PURE snakes, might be a few and a few that think they do, but unless you catch 2 wild snakes from the same area and breed them together you will not know for certain if your snakes are PURE, over the last how ever many years all it would take is 1 person to breed these pure snakes with 1 that came from somewhere else and it would stuff up all the rest of the pure snakes bred from that line,
but thats just my opinion and i'm not hiding under a log or rock keeping it to myself
cheers,
steve.........
all i got to say is where do i get myself a pair, hybreds or morphs or crosses or what ever you want to call them will have a place in many peoples collections, and very soon, and i bet theres heaps of you that already have them and don't know it,
come on dicco, you really going to tell me that if offered one at the right price you would turn it down,
you might,
but i've got the nerve to say that i'd buy 1 in a second,
how many people can really say they have PURE snakes, might be a few and a few that think they do, but unless you catch 2 wild snakes from the same area and breed them together you will not know for certain if your snakes are PURE, over the last how ever many years all it would take is 1 person to breed these pure snakes with 1 that came from somewhere else and it would stuff up all the rest of the pure snakes bred from that line,
but thats just my opinion and i'm not hiding under a log or rock keeping it to myself
cheers,
steve.........
I have to agree Steve, I think you will find the majority would buy some. How many people have hypo Bredli, linebred Blond Maccies, striped Carpets ? Not crosses but animals selectively bred for a trait. We all want them in one form or another.
thats what i mean boa, i'm not going to hide away like some others, i have just bought a line bred pair of blonde maccies, i'm getting some hypo bredlis, i also have a pair of hypo coastals, along with some striped coastals, i also have a darwin / coastal that was bought as a coastal, the list can go on, just like other peoples collections if they really looked into them, i also have one of the dreaded intergrades, and she was bred to a coastal male and produced some ripper hatchlings, but thats another story that i've already coped heaps of bull over from the same old same old people,
( still have a couple left if your interested in 1 ) lol,
cheers,
steve........
( still have a couple left if your interested in 1 ) lol,
cheers,
steve........
Boa & Steve,
We arent debating whether to cross animals or not - it is the pricing of the crossbreed hets.
These animals will look like normal hybrids which sell for very little, how much extra will people pay for the priveledge of owning an ugly snake simply because it will spit out a few albinos in 3 years time.
"What price?" is the question.
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We arent debating whether to cross animals or not - it is the pricing of the crossbreed hets.
These animals will look like normal hybrids which sell for very little, how much extra will people pay for the priveledge of owning an ugly snake simply because it will spit out a few albinos in 3 years time.
"What price?" is the question.
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inthegrass
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i agree with dicco.
cheers.
cheers.
basketcase
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crossing albino darwins to bredli is the same as crossiing two normals imo. it should stay within the species (variegata) when breeding albinos cause in the future there'll be confusion over whats what.
a mungrel is a mungrel, its just a bad idea.
a mungrel is a mungrel, its just a bad idea.
hi ad,
i'm sorry but i didn't start the talk about whether to or not to, it was a couple above mine and boas posts, and if you will look you'll see what i mean, lol,
lol, not sure about the het, lol, but i sold them for $130.00 each,
all apart from 1 i kept, he's a ripper, just hope he keeps looking close to what he is now, but only time will tell,
by the way adam, i do think it's a good thread to put up,
cheers,
steve...........
Moreliaman
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Sorry the albino gene has never done anything for me ! in this particular case i'd go for the pure strain.
Im inclined to agree with Basketcase, keep species the same.............bredli x bredli or variegata x variegata.
Im inclined to agree with Basketcase, keep species the same.............bredli x bredli or variegata x variegata.
No problems at all Steve,
Hybrids are being bred and will definitely be in the future.
I think there will be some nice snakes being bred, but I also think there will be a lot of ugly ones. The nice ones will be held back. 200+ hybrid het hatchies could hit the market this season. Im just interested in peoples opinions on the value of them.
Cheers
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Hybrids are being bred and will definitely be in the future.
I think there will be some nice snakes being bred, but I also think there will be a lot of ugly ones. The nice ones will be held back. 200+ hybrid het hatchies could hit the market this season. Im just interested in peoples opinions on the value of them.
Cheers
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Duke_jensen
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I personally love albino's but I wouldn't pay any more then about 2000 for a het x, I would rather spend the full 6600 and get a full albino then cross it myself, and I would probly try and cross it with a black and gold jungle.
I know the question specifically asked what someone would pay but peoples attitude to the snakes and specifally their attitude to hybrids and crosses is relevant in coming to the final answer. It is obvious that at present more would pay decent money for a het, this comes as no surprise but I'm not sure why those who don't agree get so worked up, morphs do not mean possibly pure animals will die out, I like both as do most keepers.
Also I'm sure sure why it is assumed a hybrid is called ugly before it is seen ?
Also I'm sure sure why it is assumed a hybrid is called ugly before it is seen ?
Point taken - to decide what you think they are worth you would need an opinion if you like them or not.
No, what is obvious is 50% of herpers wont touch them at all - of the rest Im sure most were voted by people who intend to produce not purchase - as in your own vote no doubt.
Maybe an albino cross might look new and interesting but the std old hets - well - $130 for a std hybrid shows where the std hybrid market sits atm - and the breeder says they were 'ripper hatchlings'
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