saximus
Almost Legendary
He means because plants take in carbon dioxide Jazz
If you believe in evolution etc. then it would make sense that we evolved to consume small amounts of meat that we could catch and kill. This would have meant that it wouldn't have been eaten every day or in the volume that we do now. I'm only eating it once or twice a week now because of the cost and it does seem to feel pretty
i stop the animals from eating your plants! You should thank me :d
Finally an excuse for me not to eat fruit!if you maintain this logic, it is also logical to assume that us as white european men (that is if you are white european) should not eat fruit during the winter months, should eat barely any fruit at all, as none of it is really native to europe.
now i dont believe in biblical fantasies either, i believe in evolution. europeans are not designed/never did grow up on a diet filled with fruits commonly
ps. i am a carnivore
Does this mean u only feed you snakes Bok Choy.?
Sorry but I just can't fathom the fact that anyone on here can call themselves a full vegan, if they are In possession of snakes and reptiles that consume meat. To me this contradicts the beliefs of a true vegan. Snakes need nutrition from meat. And by feeding meat forms you are therefore supporting a carnivore Which you so passionately protest against.? Just my personal opinion.
Cheers Barf
Does this mean u only feed you snakes Bok Choy.?
Sorry but I just can't fathom the fact that anyone on here can call themselves a full vegan, if they are In possession of snakes and reptiles that consume meat. To me this contradicts the beliefs of a true vegan. Snakes need nutrition from meat. And by feeding meat forms you are therefore supporting a carnivore Which you so passionately protest against.? Just my personal opinion.
Cheers Barf
16 pages after a day? (give or take) wow...
ok, not trying to argue or anything, but just a few points for discussion's sake
1) going completely vegan means you'll miss some nutrients, including vitamins and protein. YES beans and stuff have some protein but structure wise it is quite different from the one you get from meat, not to mention the cocktail of nutrients that actually comes with meat is absent in veg alone
2) unless you go all out organic/sustainable, chances are the ecological damage is almost equal to that of conventional farming practices
3) theres alot on animal abuse, yes its bad, but when you keep them in decent conditions like some have pointed out (this is within aussie assuming general practices are humane, which i think it is), then how is this different than keeping a pet?
4) evolutionary-wise there is alot of evidence against going vego. Canines are one thing, another is our intestinal track as if we were designed to only eat greens (a ridiculous idea to begin with), we'd be able to digest cellulose for starters, and our appendix would be longer and actually usable
theres also some evidence that omega-3s (i.e. fish) in the diet helped increase our brain size into what it is today
now i'd like to hear your point of view (or anyone's really)
I'm sposed to be in bed since I have work tomorrow, so this will be short, but you actually don't miss out on any nutrients whatsoever as a vego. I've researched this pretty thoroughly, and especially now there are more of us (when I went vego in '94 it was really hard to find food!), there are also more nutrition options available. Chia seed, for example, is an incredibly rich, sustainable source of Omega 3 and 6, in a preferable balance to that found in meat/fish, which can contribute to inflammation. It's also great for amino acids and complete protein. Same with quinoa. Both are tasty, and easy to use in cooking.
had never even heard of this, thank you =]
I've researched this pretty thoroughly, and especially now there are more of us (when I went vego in '94 it was really hard to find food!), there are also more nutrition options available. Chia seed, for example, is an incredibly rich, sustainable source of Omega 3 and 6, in a preferable balance to that found in meat/fish, which can contribute to inflammation. It's also great for amino acids and complete protein. Same with quinoa. Both are tasty, and easy to use in cooking.
If I was at all interested in clinging to my evolutionary past, I'd also eschew other advances, such as living in houses, vaccinations, the internet, and brushing my teeth. But seriously, as Saximus says, there's research proving both sides. I'm frankly more interested in keeping myself healthy in the here and now. I've been vego for nearly 17 years, had blood tests and full medicals every year for the first five to make sure I was doing it right. I don't go to any effort to "balance" my diet, either, I just eat what I feel like. As I said in my earlier post, my job/s are physically-strenuous, outdoor jobs, which require me to be fit, healthy, strong, and have the sort of energy that means I can do a watch in a storm from midnight-4am, have 2 hours sleep, go aloft, teach trainees how to helm, and keep this up for a couple of weeks at a stretch. A vegan friend of mine is a paramedic who sails with Sea Shepherd. Vegos have reduced incidences of heart disease, obesity, most diet-related cancers, diabetes, etc. As for environmental issues, there's a decent document here, that footnotes its research: Eating Up The World. Added to this, the UN recently listed meat production as the leading contributor worldwide to global warming. Even without the benefits of sustainable farming, the production of plant crops which are suitable to the areas they're being farmed in is way less destructive than meat.
Basically, Sam Neill's lying to you. I find this a little sad, since I had a crush on him when I was 11 and he was Captain Starlight.
I'm sposed to be in bed since I have work tomorrow, so this will be short, but you actually don't miss out on any nutrients whatsoever as a vego. I've researched this pretty thoroughly, and especially now there are more of us (when I went vego in '94 it was really hard to find food!), there are also more nutrition options available. Chia seed, for example, is an incredibly rich, sustainable source of Omega 3 and 6, in a preferable balance to that found in meat/fish, which can contribute to inflammation. It's also great for amino acids and complete protein. Same with quinoa. Both are tasty, and easy to use in cooking.
If I was at all interested in clinging to my evolutionary past, I'd also eschew other advances, such as living in houses, vaccinations, the internet, and brushing my teeth. But seriously, as Saximus says, there's research proving both sides. I'm frankly more interested in keeping myself healthy in the here and now. I've been vego for nearly 17 years, had blood tests and full medicals every year for the first five to make sure I was doing it right. I don't go to any effort to "balance" my diet, either, I just eat what I feel like. As I said in my earlier post, my job/s are physically-strenuous, outdoor jobs, which require me to be fit, healthy, strong, and have the sort of energy that means I can do a watch in a storm from midnight-4am, have 2 hours sleep, go aloft, teach trainees how to helm, and keep this up for a couple of weeks at a stretch. A vegan friend of mine is a paramedic who sails with Sea Shepherd. Vegos have reduced incidences of heart disease, obesity, most diet-related cancers, diabetes, etc. As for environmental issues, there's a decent document here, that footnotes its research: Eating Up The World. Added to this, the UN recently listed meat production as the leading contributor worldwide to global warming. Even without the benefits of sustainable farming, the production of plant crops which are suitable to the areas they're being farmed in is way less destructive than meat.
Basically, Sam Neill's lying to you. I find this a little sad, since I had a crush on him when I was 11 and he was Captain Starlight.
perhaps, and perhaps not. you've gotta keep in mind not everyone has the same/similiar body systems as you, yes theres alot on this thread that may have eaten their fill into a healthy lifestyle, however generalization based from a number (i assume to be) lower than 30 is statistically unreliable, its not exactly for everyone.
In other countries i should point out, eating meat does not mean eating a hunk of steak the way we perceive it here. A lecturer of mine went to visit a sheep herder somewhere in mediterania. For 20 people in the family, the amount of meat used in the food was no more than a cup, its not a central part of the diet, but used more of a flavoring agent/condiment. All 20 were healthy, active individuals. Really puts into perspective what we consider a "balanced diet"
having said that, it is very easy to just pop a supplement IF needed, no biggie, you get your complete nutritional requirement, everyones happy.
On sustainable and ethically produced meats, i'm all for it. Its better for the animal, and theres heaps of evidence animals that are raised well become darn tastier too.
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