bredli ruined now aswell

[Slytherin]

I normally stay out of these threads because some people on this site can get overly emotional about it and start attacking others. While I can understand both sides of the argument, I think sometimes people need to step back and relax a little. Some of the morphs can look good but on the other hand there still needs to be a pure bloodline maintained so the original species isnt lost.

 

[waruikazi]

Just a question.

Has there ever been a case where the original species of a hybrid/morph or both ever been lost and only the 'deigner' phase still exist? The only possible one i can think of are horses??

 

[Slytherin]

Just a question.

Has there ever been a case where the original species of a hybrid/morph or both ever been lost and only the 'deigner' phase still exist? The only possible one i can think of are horses??

Lol...humans

 

[LauraM]

they look perfectly normal

 

[cement]

When you look at the scene in europe its easy to understand that if captives get loose into the wild they won't do any damage. They won't last a winter, and you could count the local endemic herp species on one hand. This is a great reason for keepers in these countries to be able to have such animals as hybrids and exotics.

Aus is a different story. This is the land of the python. It is possibly detrimental to our native fauna to have hybrids in collections. The reason is because when there is many around they will be sold off cheap as chips and will end up in the wild.

Enjoy the pictures all you like but please use some maturity and research wild snakes and possible effects on local native populations before ever handing over cash for (make that "to") these freaks.

 

[Renagade]

When you look at the scene in europe its easy to understand that if captives get loose into the wild they won't do any damage. They won't last a winter, and you could count the local endemic herp species on one hand. This is a great reason for keepers in these countries to be able to have such animals as hybrids and exotics.

Aus is a different story. This is the land of the python. It is possibly detrimental to our native fauna to have hybrids in collections. The reason is because when there is many around they will be sold off cheap as chips and will end up in the wild.

Enjoy the pictures all you like but please use some maturity and research wild snakes and possible effects on local native populations before ever handing over cash for (make that "to") these freaks.

why do you think hybrids will end up in the wild more so than the chronic amount of people who already 'loose' their snakes? are you assuming that they will be cheaper and thus more friverlously handled/kept? i fail to see such a steep relation.

 

[Rep-Style]

what a stunner of a snake

 

[Khagan]

Aus is a different story. This is the land of the python. It is possibly detrimental to our native fauna to have hybrids in collections. The reason is because when there is many around they will be sold off cheap as chips and will end up in the wild..

Are the cheaper range of our pythons now always being dumped in the wild? I don't see how just cause it is a hybrid it would change.

 

[Den from Den Pythons]

Ever notice with these mongrel mutants that there is only ever a pic of 1 animal from a clutch (and no mention of how many clutches were produced)???
Thats because the rest of the mutts are pig dog ugly (and should be euthanised) THATS A FACT.
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How many clutches were produced to get these results you speak of?
As you said they are designer morphs right (meaning they have been line bred for many generations for certain traits?). So it is fair to say the results were ugly offspring early in the piece? because we all know putting a Coastal over a Jungle will not give us anywhere near the results of Jags advertised these days right?.

?? The Jag gene is a proven co-dom mutation....

This is a cut out from some of the first ever original Jag to normal matings.....
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The following year I managed to produce approximately 50% normals and 50% Jaguars from two unrelated mcdowelli females. This suggests that the Jaguar gene is of a co-dominant trait.
One female (#2 on the Coastal page) laid 49 eggs, whereas 4 were non-viable. 22 Jaguars and 23 normal sibs was the result from this clutch. Perhaps not so astonishing since the female at the time was 11 feet long and weighing close to 22 pounds, but still a pretty impressive sized clutch.
Thanks to the founder Jaguar male.
......................................................

Not interested in any arguments, you are free to your opinion. Just think you should know a little about an animal before you bag it with 'facts' on an open forum.

 

[biggie]

i think heaps are nice to look at but they shouldn't exist

 

[elapid66]

hybrids rule im thinkin

 

[DerekRoddy]

When you look at the scene in europe its easy to understand that if captives get loose into the wild they won't do any damage.
Aus is a different story. This is the land of the python. It is possibly detrimental to our native fauna to have hybrids in collections.

Enjoy the pictures all you like but please use some maturity and research wild snakes and possible effects on local native populations before ever handing over cash for (make that "to") these freaks.

And, I guess the 3 post a month that shows up here saying...."Help, my male Bredls python escaped from his cage"....doesn't do, just as much damage.... if it gets into the wild huh? Esp...if you live in Queensland.
Happens all the time...so if you wonder why that coastal you found in your back yard, just doesn't look right............

D.

 

[Earthling]

Nice looking snakes.
Particularly like the second 'platinum' one.

 

[aspidito]

How many clutches were produced to get these results you speak of?
As you said they are designer morphs right (meaning they have been line bred for many generations for certain traits?). So it is fair to say the results were ugly offspring early in the piece? because we all know putting a Coastal over a Jungle will not give us anywhere near the results of Jags advertised these days right?

Thanks but Id rather spend the time line breeding pure animals for similar results.

Don't confuse my statements about Hybrids (2 pure species cross bred) in Australia for anything remotrely to do with Jaguars. For starters jags do not concern me atm as they are not the problems being advertised as pure in this country.

You should do some research first then come back with a valid argument:

 

[Retic]

:lol: Ah yes Europe, what a lovely country that is. You must have a very big hand to count 80 plus species all of which presumably die every winter in the frozen wasteland.

When you look at the scene in europe its easy to understand that if captives get loose into the wild they won't do any damage. They won't last a winter, and you could count the local endemic herp species on one hand. This is a great reason for keepers in these countries to be able to have such animals as hybrids and exotics.

Aus is a different story. This is the land of the python. It is possibly detrimental to our native fauna to have hybrids in collections. The reason is because when there is many around they will be sold off cheap as chips and will end up in the wild.

Enjoy the pictures all you like but please use some maturity and research wild snakes and possible effects on local native populations before ever handing over cash for (make that "to") these freaks.

 

[amazonian]

?? The Jag gene is a proven co-dom mutation....

This is a cut out from some of the first ever original Jag to normal matings.....
......................................................
The following year I managed to produce approximately 50% normals and 50% Jaguars from two unrelated mcdowelli females. This suggests that the Jaguar gene is of a co-dominant trait.
One female (#2 on the Coastal page) laid 49 eggs, whereas 4 were non-viable. 22 Jaguars and 23 normal sibs was the result from this clutch. Perhaps not so astonishing since the female at the time was 11 feet long and weighing close to 22 pounds, but still a pretty impressive sized clutch.
Thanks to the founder Jaguar male.
......................................................

Not interested in any arguments, you are free to your opinion. Just think you should know a little about an animal before you bag it with 'facts' on an open forum.

Are we talking Hybrids or designer morphs now?
And are we starting from the beginning bredings (as I suggested) or with an already established Jaguar?

BTW Jags have nada to do with my comments, I think you have missed my point completely.

You should do some research first then come back with a valid argument:

I dont give a crap about Jags (as I already stated)
I am discussing hybrids of 2 pure species ok (as I stated)
Put a coastal over a Jungle and tell me if you get a clutch of 100% lookers.

Take Jags out of the equation for a minute as I have clearly (several times now) made it apparent (obviously not clearly enough) that I am trying to discuss HYBRIDS IN AUS.
Is my comments any clearer yet? I am discussing HYBRIDS NOT DESIGNER MORPHS, NOT JAGUARS AND NOT GOLDFISH.

But if defending Australian hybrids with overseas Jag morphs is your go then so be it.
Not once have I said Jags are ugly ok, I have said Hybrids are and I stand by that comment.
So as I am clearly not even arguing anything remotely close to Jags, why do I have to research them?

 

[ihaveherps]

Cement, even if you were referring to the UK when you typed Europe, your case doesnt stand. Even in the sunny UK, a feral population has established itself, from escapees.... cant be bothered finding the finer details, though I do remember it revolves around a zoo, south of london if memory serves me correctly.

 

[QldMorelias]

Thanks for the pics. I'm not sure how anyone could think they were butt ugly, etc,etc,etc. Great looking snakes.

 

[Squish]

Wow, um... I love bredlis, they are the smex, and jaguars aren't bad, but I really could not say with any degree of honesty that those snakes are at all attractive. Those are the worst colours I've seen on any snake bar corn snakes...

 

[Khagan]

Wow, um... I love bredlis, they are the smex, and jaguars aren't bad, but I really could not say with any degree of honesty that those snakes are at all attractive. Those are the worst colours I've seen on any snake bar corn snakes...

I think you are colour blind the 2nd one is simpley amazing.