In my eyes - yes. In yours probably not, lets not argue about it.
CodeRed, Jaguar is much cheaper than Ferrari
What is going on with prices?
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In my eyes - yes. In yours probably not, lets not argue about it.
CodeRed, Jaguar is much cheaper than Ferrari
I am in utter shock that this thread is still going! I entered the debate briefly about...two weeks ago.
Allow me to summarise:
1) GTP's used to be quite the gravy train in the early days, and are now becoming not nearly so much, with some a little bit upset over the direction things are going.
2) Some breeders continue to charge higher than the 'going rate', with some happy to pay that, and others not.
3) Anyone who makes money from breeding is evidently a money grabber, and people look down on them because they have been successful.
4) GTP's are indeed Ferraris.
5) Jag's are great looking animals, but seriously, having cool patterns will never put them in the same league as a GTP.
Now let close this thread and move on with our lives.
Scleropages
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Link to the $300 BHPs? I could always do with a few more
Aren't Jaguar carpet pythons an illegal import from smuggled-in overseas bloodlines?
I don't think that ethical herpers would condone smuggling activity by supporting morphs with a dodgy history.
I don't think that ethical herpers would condone smuggling activity by supporting morphs with a dodgy history.
dani_boy
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so is anyone going to answer my question cuz i was being serious
GTPs are/were more expensive because people are willing to pay that price for them. Sure there are plenty of other reptiles in greater demand that cost less, but they have massive waiting lists or are simply hard to obtain unless you are a herp socialite.
Dani_boy, you question has been answered.
Someone asked me; "how do you justify asking twice as much for your snakes than Joe Blow? Are they that much better?"
Well, you can flip the coin and ask Joe Blow: "are you snakes not good enough by that much?"
The problem we have in this hobby, there are no standards. The penniless grubs keep on screaming "the cheaper, the better" and their followers take the bottom price as a benchmark. It is not. Benchmark is never set by price - it is always set by certain standard and quality and prices fluctuate above and bellow that benchmark.
At the moment the benchmark (per each species) is arbitrary and herpers have to decide which is more important to them - price or quality. It is an individual decision but pulling the benchmark down into the gutter because you can't afford this or that is not fair. It may influence others, less experienced herpers and newbies.
It would be an obvious assumption, but you wouldnt be able to prove it unless you did it your self and took some pics for the extreme sceptics. Even without this they are illegal for a number of other reasons, one being their neurological problems which make breeding them against many animal cruelty laws. I would be extremely suprised if anyone got prosecuted for it though (unless caught at the airport).
What about someone who breeds reptiles without having an established business, long running reputation or sponsership etc. ? How can they expect to sell the same quality animal without all the promotion? To me it would be reasonable to assume they should be asking a lower price.
JasonL
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Don't be fooled, there is free trade between Australia and the rest of the world and ethics takes a back seat to dollars.
syeph8
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Waterrat;1815496 At the moment the benchmark (per each species) is arbitrary and herpers have to decide which is more important to them - price or quality. It is an individual decision but pulling the benchmark down into the gutter because you can't afford this or that is not fair. It may influence others said:
Albs
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These threads should be banned. Round and round they go same old @#$%.
Unfortunately I think you're right Jason. I've heard that there's all sorts of exotic reptiles being found in Oz that most probably have been smuggled in illegally; and with them some serious diseases that have the potential to wipe out native wild populations. This is also no doubt how exotic pests and diseases got into the country.
Fortunately, the majority of the herp community frown upon the exotic species and morphs that are illegally in the country for the above reasons.
I've never understood how any decent person can risk the lives of our precious fauna by having anything to do with exotics in this country. To bring the conversation back on topic, I don't think that the price of any exotic species of bloodlines should be comparable to pure bred native bloodlines. Buy Australian!
Fortunately, the majority of the herp community frown upon the exotic species and morphs that are illegally in the country for the above reasons.
I didn't know that Cris, so thanks. It doesn't surprise me that such health problems exist in seriously inbred bloodlines like some of these exotic morphs.
I've never understood how any decent person can risk the lives of our precious fauna by having anything to do with exotics in this country. To bring the conversation back on topic, I don't think that the price of any exotic species of bloodlines should be comparable to pure bred native bloodlines. Buy Australian!
Did I say anything like that?
Cris, they have to pull their finger out. Too many breeders "prefer" to hide in the woods, for whatever reason, I am not critical of that but it's hard to build up reputation if the masses don't know who you are and what you're doing. I don't have any sponsors or established business but I do have a set of guidelines:
Promote your product
Promote your services
Promote yourself
Promote the industry
Promote those who help you
Never criticise opposition's product
BUT emphasize all the good points of your product
A key to success? maybe, time will tell.
Those smiley's should be banned for the same reason!These threads should be banned. Round and round they go same old @#$%.
Scleropages
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Most people who breed them want to sell them for alot to cover the price they paid for them years ago.A few years ago they where 5k a hatchy,now there are more people breeding them and more around the price is alot lower.
They don't cost anymore than a carpet to keep , in fact an adult carpet would cost more to feed than an adult GTP.- so I can't see why they should still cost so much.
That is a truly weird logic. Have you ever kept GTPs? :?
Scleropages
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Yes I do.
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