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[SlothHead]

Yeah, its a nice looking snake


I dont really judge something on whether it is pure or not, cross i dont care, to say something is beautiful, then the topic is a subjective personal call.

Therefore all of the snakes shown are beautiful

I am sure there are plenty of hybrids that are "generally" ugly, and i am sure that there are plenty of pures that are "generally" ugly also.

Its just a shame that people keep the blinkers on without thinking about what they are saying or looking at the speciment.

Everyone is entitled to their opinion, but to outright assume that all hybrids are ugly is ignorant and somewhat biggoted.

It is a whole nother arguement of whether hybrids are good/ bad/ indifferent for herpetology in captivity, ethically and ecologically. And therefore whether these issues could adversely affect the natural environment.

Man that was a long way around

 

[steve6610]

steve do you have a bigger pic of that one in your avatar?

if you check out the first page you will see my pair, these pics are the latest i have, taken in the last month..........

 

[steve6610]

sorry, make that the second page.................

 

[SlothHead]

so what are the exact crosses of them. They look nice
Diamond % etc?

 

[steve6610]

coastal x port mac coastal or intergrade as some call them,

they would be 75% coastal and 25% diamond,

 

[SlothHead]

I would love to see a Diamond x Bredli, that would be an interesting mix,

or a GTP cross Diamond so we could have a Green and yellow diamond , a real ozie snake

 

[steve6610]

i've seen a few other crosses, but won't say who has them, but i'm pretty sure one was a diamond x bredli and they all looked great, i just think a lot of people forget that all captive bred snakes are just pets, so who really cares if they aren't pure, they will only ever be pets,

 

[SlothHead]

you dont happen to have a picture of that do you, Diamond x Bredli or maybe you could describe it a little

 

[steve6610]

sorry mate, as it's not mine i can't send any pics, but i can say it looks more like a bredli then a diamond.........

 

[TrueBlue]

ha ha ha , whos under whos skin you mean steve, i directed the post to you because you were the only one silly enough to think the theres no difference line breeding pures or breeding hybrids, (rolls eyes again), I really dont care what you do or think, means didly squat to me, but to promote it on an open forum is i bit silly and even ilegal to knowingly breed in qld.
No steve i dont breed hybids, im not the stupid.

 

[steve6610]

pmsl rob,
accidents happen, and it might be news to you, but what i did was as illegal as you breeding for morphs such as albinos, we have been over this rob, i also have been into epa and told them what happened, did you know that in qld all morelias should be listed on the same page, so it's not illegal,

 

[Oskorei]

First of all i would like to appolgise to Bundy5 for starting a mini flame in his thread.

in my post i didnt really explain myself all that good (i had to goto work and was pressed for time)

why i posted that is becasue some people on here as soon as the work cross or hybrid is mentioned their responce is to kill it and that you are the worst person in the world to let that thing live.

if you like your snakes to be pure breeds that good for you. australia has the most beautiful looking snakes in the world and they are just amazing. but what is so wrong about cross breeeding? we keep snakes for a hobby or a pet so what is wrong with having a snaked that has upto 5 or more breeds in it? all the snake pureists out there i ask you do you have pure bred cats and dogs?

same as the arguement about exotics.. are your cats and dogs native to australia? unless you all own dingos i think not.

i am sick of reading about people condeming other peoples snakes cause they are not pure get over it, if you want to keep your snakes pure thatg is good and i woudl love to buy one from you sometime. but if you want to mix it up a bit and have a snake that is unlike another of the 5000 others that people have in their homes then i am keen for one of them as well.

a snake is a snake no matter what is in its gene pool so get off your high horse and grow up

cheers
Mick

 

[CodeRed]

What would a reptile park do with crosses?

haha, they gotta feed the cobras

 

[steve6610]

mick, i like your thoughts, i agree 100% with what you said, i've got 4 crossed snakes, 2 i bred, one is a true port mac coastal and i have one suspect darwin x coastal, but not sure, it might be pure darwin that was sold as a carpet.......... but wow, i then have 46 pure bred snakes, some of those are location pure as well, but i get smashed by the same few members over my couple crossed snakes, the difference between me and purests is i like all reptiles,

 

[buck]

i have one suspect darwin x coastal, but not sure, it might be pure darwin that was sold as a carpet..........

This is one of the main reasons why I don't agree with hybrids. How long will it take before we have no idea what the snake actually is?

Let's say for example that a snake is a cross diamond. What temps etc do you keep it at? How can you possibly know how to provide a climate that won't effect the health of the snake? With pure snakes it's easy as you just mimic the same conditions that would naturally occur but obviously there is no natural environment for a bredli x diamond for example.

The other thing that really gets on my goat which is somewhat related is people breeding diamondxcoastal and trying to sell them as intergrades!!!

 

[NicG]

Hi Bundy5,

Now that the hijacked thread seems to have been brought under control, I was wondering whether I could ask you a couple of questions ...

1) How old are all the snakes involved? And roughly what lengths are they?
2) Was last year's rather successful clutch of 25 hatchlings Bundy's first attempt at breeding?
3) Did she lose much weight during the natural incubation process?
4) What type of Carpet Pythons are Bundy and Dharma? I don't think that you ever mentioned that ...

Cheers,
Nic

 

[Retic]

You are right Steve breeding one Morelia with another is NOT illegal in Queensland. There are one or two that want to make all this personal and I guess that's fine but it would seem the majority aren't narrow minded and accept a snake for what it is.
Each to their own.

 

[junglist*]

The funniest thing i think is that people are getting all up ina rms about captively crossed offspring, yet intergrades (same thing different smell) are deemed as acceptable.

If there were major genetic problems, then the animals would not produce viable offspring.

Remember that all of our sub speciation is relative, and the classes and subclasses are not stagnant.

 

[Retic]

Most of the problem is that people don't want to attract attention to themselves by saying they have a hybrid in their collection or worse still to have actually bred some. They are afraid of the flaming they will get from a few others, personally I say it like it is, I have thick skin and really couldn't care as life is too short.

 

[PilbaraPythons]

It seems to me that there is far too much emphasis on the legality of cross bred reptiles rather than issues like, what is good for our hobby or the reptiles genetic integrity.
Lets get a bit real here, no sane person could ever believe that a cross bred reptile could only be visually ugly. So lets hear about and list a few of the reasons why crossbred snakes are good for our hobby in the long term and how they are not a long term potential threat to our natural wildlife in the future. I am genuinely interested to hear. Perhaps a new thread in order and for those who just roll their eyes and think, Oh no not again this has been done to death, I think this discussion is far from concluded and there will be more than a few willing participants. In fact I consider it a very important issue to continue to debate regardless of the already concluded belief by many that it is pointless.