The big debate.

[MMAnne]

Thanks hornet...
Things are clearer to me now...
Now I've got one more question, and don't have a go at me for it, please...
Why would people cross different species or sub-species...? It's like crossing a cat with a dog, or a chimp with a gorilla... It doesn't make sense to me...
Is it because people want to be some little Dr Frankeinstein trying out experiments, or are they looking for the perfect breed...?

Thanks
Yann.

I have always thought it is more like crossing a burmese with a persian etc, not crossing two different animals.

But anyway, I am sort of in the middle with my opinion. I don't disagree with people crossing different species of snake to create hybrids but I don't want it to become difficult to find pures in the future as someone mentioned has happened in overseas countries.

 

[steve6610]

OK I think its time...

I must confess..... Although I have been keeping this under wraps as I already have enough opinions to be flamed for LOL....

But.... I am a Hybrid lover.....

IMO..... I don't see anything wrong with 'hybrids' and i use that term very loosely.... i prefer to think of them as crosses..... the way I see it by definition a 'hybrid' would be a crossing of say liasis x morelia..... anyway thats not the issue...

If this hobby becomes like the dog or cat etc hobby then i don't really see the problem. We all love our muts from the rspca dont we??? it is not hard to find a pure bred dog or cat and they will always fetch the top prices rightfully.

I think that if a snake is to be kept as a pet (yes i do believe they are pets by definition but thats a whole other argument i'll be badgered for) then what's wrong with supplying aesthetically pleasing pet snakes whether they be 'hybrids' or not. If this were to happen I believe the hobby would expand, which would see more public awareness/acceptance, more buyers, which means better for the breeders already in the hobby and every other non breeding herper because of products etc becoming more readily available.

By the way i'm not saying the hobby won't expand without crosses i'll make that clear.

I do agree with everyone that they should be sold as they are.

I don't know about everyone else but i would give a kidney (cos i'm female and i don't have a left nut lol) for a Jungle Jag which is a cross.

FLAME SUIT ON......

LMAO, well babe, you have finally come out of the closet, i have tought you well my dear, just goes to show all those nasty pms you got sent about me and my reputation were sent way to late, i already had you under my spell, spoken like a trueblue hybred/cross lover,
no guesses what i voted for, haha,

the difference between overseas and australia as to pure snakes is that the ones that want pure snakes just have to go catch some more, then they can have LOCATION pure snakes again, but they can't overseas,

thats it for me, flame suit has been put on, and i'll see you all in a couple weeks, hahahaha.......

ps swing, well said babe, lol, welcome to the dark side...........................

 

[Bryony]

yes but mutts aint hybrids nor are mice

I know, i did say hybrid/crosses.

Mutts and mice are intentionally crossed bred and i dont see the difference between that and snakes being cross bred for a purpose of looks

 

[ihaveherps]

Hybrids are OK, as long as you have the freezer space to keep them...

 

[MrSpike]

Go Steve and swing!

My view is this. Hybridization is no different to 2 people from different country's conceiving a child. I wonder how many of the hybrid hater's have parents that are from different countries? Your hybrids... do you hate yourself?

Kane

 

[Hetty]

Go Steve and swing!

My view is this. Hybridization is no different to 2 people from different country's conceiving a child. I wonder how many of the hybrid hater's have parents that are from different countries? Your hybrids... do you hate yourself?

Kane

Same as the dog argument. Humans are one species.

 

[junglepython2]

Hybrids are OK, as long as you have the freezer space to keep them...

Or a few king browns in your collection.

 

[Bryony]

Go Steve and swing!

My view is this. Hybridization is no different to 2 people from different country's conceiving a child. I wonder how many of the hybrid hater's have parents that are from different countries? Your hybrids... do you hate yourself?

Kane

lol
True true

 

[Hetty]

It's more like human cross some other kind of ape, like a Chimpanzee

 

[MrSpike]

It's more like human cross some other kind of ape, like a Chimpanzee

A Jungle x Coastal is a hybrid, a Maccie x Stimson is hybrid. A Monkey cross Human is also a Hybrid.

 

[Hetty]

A Jungle x Coastal is a hybrid, a Maccie x Stimson is hybrid. A Monkey cross Human is also a Hybrid.

Did I say anything different?

I was saying it's not like two humans from different countries.

 

[MrSpike]

Did I say anything different?

I was saying it's not like two humans from different countries.

But thats the thing I was pointing out, it is. Take an Australian (Jungle carpet) and an American (Bredli). If bred together the outcome is a Hybrid, because they are not from the same region.

 

[Hetty]

But thats the thing I was pointing out, it is. Take an Australian (Jungle carpet) and an American (Bredli). If bred together the outcome is a Hybrid, because they are not from the same region.

I'm not sure what you're saying. Are you saying a Bredli X Jungle? because that's a hybrid anyway. Or, are you talking about locality - American X Australian?

 

[junglepython2]

But thats the thing I was pointing out, it is. Take an Australian (Jungle carpet) and an American (Bredli). If bred together the outcome is a Hybrid, because they are not from the same region.

It's a hybrid because it's two different species, it has nothing to do with one being from America.

 

[MrSpike]

It's a hybrid because it's two different species, it has nothing to do with one being from America.

No no no, you've got it all wrong, I'm right

 

[Australis]

You can compare it to as many things as you like but at the end of the day these are our native animals, something to cherish. not taint.

Maybe some people need to get off their **** and go herping in the Australian Bush!

 

[steve6610]

You can compare it to as many things as you like but at the end of the day these are our native animals, something to cherish. not taint.

Maybe some people need to get off their **** and go herping in the Australian Bush!

yes, heaps better then spending their days sending pms running other members down, or talking about them in chat, haha, what colour are your eyes, GREEN.....................

 

[Reaper]

purist's will hate this but IMO hybrids are ok IF thats what there sold as and u know exactly what u are getting. i find it amusing that most people would love a true jag including alot of purist's( if it exsisted in aus, not saying it does or does not exsist in aus just trying not cause another lenghthy debate over this subject) ANYWAY.... from what i can gather( now im not an expert) there is great debate over the true bloodlines of the parenting animals responsible for the jag's. alot of credable people believe they were created from a coastal and a jungle and not the pure coastals like we are told....BUT what an animal the jag is!..... if it were to be confirmed that they were actualy created by crossbreading would u still want one??? i know i would!! BUT thats just my opinion
imagine a green tree python with jungle markings!! i'd pay for that!!
cheers.
FLAME SUIT ON!!

 

[Craig2]

whats the deal with the flame suits and the this is just my opinion
if you belive it stand up for it

 

[Yann]

Hey guys...

Excuse me again for my ignorance....
As it was said before, the main risk is the shortage of pure breeds, which would make native animal the dearest ones available on the market... (it is the case in some other countries)
My next question is:
Can you buy an hybrid without knowing it is one? I mean, is there any physical evidence that the snake is an hybrid?
Why would someone sell an hybrid as pure anyway? It cannot only be a question of money, but I can't imagine it is in the sole goal of destroying the pure native fauna...
I can understand the "I want to have it first" reason why people would create hybrids, but can they just sell them as pure just because the creation failed and the snake isn't as beautiful or unique as expected?
I agree that an hybrid should be sold as what it is, not pure, basically because the buyer might want to breed pure hatchies, plus it is only fair to know what you're buying...
I don't know if I made myself clear, excuse my poor english... but this whole hybrid thingy starts to confuse me and draws a dark picture over the breeding of snakes... After all, can we trust anybody, even the most famous and respected breeders...?

Cheers,
Yann.