What is going on with prices?

[Miffy]

It's got me concerned because when i bought my diamond in 2003 she was $300. Adult diamonds were going for around $700.

I'm trying to sell my adult diamond with a full set up enclosure and i can't get a bite on the $1000 price tag.
what's normal price for a 7 year old Diamond these days?

I saw a diamond not sure how old but fully grown at Upmarket Pets for $2000 yesterday and another at another reptile shop for $1500. I think I paid $375 for mine 4 years ago.

I almost see snakes like the stock exchange lol Supply and Demand, what's Hot and what's Not. They kinda go through phases. One minute everyones ohhing and ahhing about high yellow diamonds then hypo bredlis, next its black and gold jungles, then black and white jungles, then GTP and Albinos lol

I wouldnt knock any of the above back but I wish I had of graphed their price movements over the past 5 years.

 

[BennyA]

A breeders license sounds sensible to me,

 

[krefft]

I think they should be available in pet shops here in NSW. Reptiles are no more specialised than plenty of other animals available in them. Yes, yes their will be a period where there will be examples of people perhaps not looking after them properly, but every one of us also went through that period.
They are fantastic pets and I look forward to the day when they stop being on the fringe and become a mainstream pet.

 

[cement]

I feel sorry for those that mortgaged houses etc and got into the breeding in a big way. It would be gut wrenching to watch the dollar side just fall out of it. As it has.
Its not an easy game to play, and because we are talking about raising animals to breed its a very long time process.
My honest opinion is that if you want to make money from reptiles then sell the products, not the animals, or better still become a reptile specialist vet. In the same time it takes to grow, breed and grow and back cross you will be making heaps more dosh ( bit extra work with uni etc).
I was considering fish farming once and got involved for a little while, but the only person making money was the fish vet.

 

[byron_moses]

I personally think we need a system in place like registered cat & dog breeders where you have to have a license to breed & this license needs to be expensive enough that the average keeper won't bother. Too many people are able to breed which floods the market, the only way to prevent the inevitable reptiles in pounds scenario is to regulate who can & can't breed.

but then you just allow for a underground market to begin as i dont think u can de-sex a snake there for how do u stop it?

 

[chase77]

I think they should be available in pet shops here in NSW. Reptiles are no more specialised than plenty of other animals available in them. Yes, yes their will be a period where there will be examples of people perhaps not looking after them properly, but every one of us also went through that period.
They are fantastic pets and I look forward to the day when they stop being on the fringe and become a mainstream pet.

I'm of the other opinion, that cats and dogs should not be sold at pet shops. Impulse buying at its worst. And think how many dogs and cats are put down each year.

But a breeders licence maybe good, but then i suppose breeders can hold the buyer to ransom when there isn't enough demand.

 

[Pythoninfinite]

Licensing breeders won't have any impact - WA has a 'farmer's licence' in their system, which at $1500 (you legally have to have one if you breed more than one clutch of any species, regardless of the return you may get - i.e., 2 prs of Shinglebacks produce 4 babies....) It's a totally laughable prospect that people will fork out that sort of dough unless they can recoup it very quickly, the take-up rate after about 5 years was 2 I think. It is a bizarre concept developed by a very bizarre bureaucracy...

It has meant that SW Carpets are now pushing out record clutches though - 40-50 eggs isn't unheard of!

Jamie.

 

[Midcoaster]

I think reptile breeding wasnt so main stream as it is now a lot of people were scared to keep snakes because people looked down on them but now its all good! thats how i felt anway! plus now in nsw bhp and womas are on class 1 which helps flood the trade!

 

[cris]

I feel sorry for those that mortgaged houses etc and got into the breeding in a big way. It would be gut wrenching to watch the dollar side just fall out of it. As it has.

More stupid than going into a pyramid marketing scam IMO. About equal to taking out a loan to play pokies. If you want to invest in something put some effort in to learning about the relevant market/business. That said im no marketing expert i thought the price would have crashed much sooner, without the GFC.

 

[derekm]

I personally think we need a system in place like registered cat & dog breeders where you have to have a license to breed & this license needs to be expensive enough that the average keeper won't bother. Too many people are able to breed which floods the market, the only way to prevent the inevitable reptiles in pounds scenario is to regulate who can & can't breed.

The pedigree dog and cat breeding marketplace is mainly controlled by licensed breeders voluntarily choosing to neuter all animals sold, except where they are sold to other licensed breeders. I suspect that the bird breeding community continues, after over 25 years, to face the same supply and demand issues that are now arising in the reptile breeding community because neutering of "pet" stock is much easier to arrange for mammals than it is for birds or reptiles.

 

[zuesowns]

I seem to see a lot of advertisements as "Paris" only and almost everyone is buying in pairs, obviously to breed - if everyone buys pairs to breed (supply exceeds demand)

Some pure breed dogs (their breeders make the buyers sign a contract to not breed from)

I have a question, why sell in pairs?

 

[Jay84]

The loss of profit is not what Im concerned about it's the flood of reptiles and no where for them to go. Im all for cheap prices but when the time comes when ya can't give them away, what then? Stop breeding, won't happen.

Why not let them go? Im sure they would love to be out in the wild lol

On a more serious note. Why limit breeding of reptiles to registered breeders? Why should the priviledge of breeding only be for those that pay a premium price? What is little Jonny down the road wants to breed his pair of Blueys and watch them reproduce and grow? You want to strip him of the pleasure and delight in this?

What people need to learn is restraint. Instead of breeding every single animal they have each and every season, only breed a couple. People will soon learn and change their breeding plans accordingly.

 

[Wookie]

I personally think we need a system in place like registered cat & dog breeders where you have to have a license to breed & this license needs to be expensive enough that the average keeper won't bother. Too many people are able to breed which floods the market, the only way to prevent the inevitable reptiles in pounds scenario is to regulate who can & can't breed.

I am with you on this one. I can't see another way to stem the flow. It's all well and good to say people need to use common sense, but that will never work. There must be an authority on this, maybe a licence that varies in cost, influenced by how many pairs you plan to breed?

 

[cris]

On a more serious note. Why limit breeding of reptiles to registered breeders? Why should the priviledge of breeding only be for those that pay a premium price? What is little Jonny down the road wants to breed his pair of Blueys and watch them reproduce and grow? You want to strip him of the pleasure and delight in this?

What people need to learn is restraint. Instead of breeding every single animal they have each and every season, only breed a couple. People will soon learn and change their breeding plans accordingly.

I agree, i would hate to see breeding restricted to some sort of eletist group.

 

[carpetpythongurl]

well ultimate reptile supply has just said they have a couple of hundred gtp so we'll being buy for under 500 in no time

 

[Waterrat]

well ultimate reptile supply has just said they have a couple of hundred gtp so we'll being buy for under 500 in no time

In that thread you said few minutes ago they'll be under $1000.-, now it's $500.- is it? Tim didn't say anything about price. This is how crap happens.

 

[ANT22]

a license is a good idea, but why should u have too pay? Wouldnt it make much more sense to have some sort of test in place, with possible background checks..that way it is still possible for little johny down the road to be able to breed over some one that can easily fork out a premium price...Just a 15yr old thought...

 

[carpetpythongurl]

supply and demand and $500 is under $1000 isnt it?????

 

[Camo]

They would be my $50 CCP and $80 Striped CCP.

Its simple i need room for this seasons hathcies (females due to lay very soon) and they were not moving at the price they should be going for.

Cameron

 

[Camo]

IMO it wouldnt be hard to make money at $50 for most species, provided you dont include your time as a cost.

Exactly to the point cris.

My CCP that i sold for $50ea have had about $25 worth of foods put into them and then you have your time and the time and effort gone into selling them.

Did i make money from them? No, but at the end of the day i like breeding pythons and if i can let great animals go at a good price than thats the way the cookie crumbles.