kawasakirider
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still wouldn't like the idea of coming across a scruboa one day!
Lol, it could be the aussie version of the anaconda movie
still wouldn't like the idea of coming across a scruboa one day!
god no! the worst thing about that movie was j-lo and we don't need her out here!Lol, it could be the aussie version of the anaconda movie
Is the colour of the snake all that people admire? If it is, that's pretty sad and demonstrates the shallow interest in reptiles. "colourful pets" - is that all?
I apologise for the negativity in this post but it's almost painful to read "I wont one", whenever a photo of some screwed up hybrid appears on here - like kids in a lolly shop.
Why is it 'sad' that some people like to own or breed reptiles for their colour or pattern etc? Why is it 'sad' that some people just like to have these animals in captivity and not go on herping trips, or study their biology or natural history?
Is it 'sad' that i own 3 dog breeds..... yet i do not know the history of the breed. I do not know the story of how dogs became domesticated.
Why does it matter if some people just want to keep and breed animals purely for colour and pattern?
Why does it matter if people choose to just study reptiles and not keep them?
Why does it matter if some choose to do both, keep them in captivity, and also study their natural history?
Then don't start them!
Why is it 'sad' that some people like to own or breed reptiles for their colour or pattern etc?
Waterrat - What do you look for in a snake apart from appearance?
...my next target are White-lipped pythons. I know they would do well in outdoor enclosures where I live, and I think they would be fantastic species to work with even though they are savage bastards...
Why is it 'sad' that some people like to own or breed reptiles for their colour or pattern etc? Why is it 'sad' that some people just like to have these animals in captivity and not go on herping trips, or study their biology or natural history?
Far out.
My analogy............and please don't tell me I'm talking about mammals, as I am aware of this.
My experience with being around horses all my life tells me that breeding for certain colour traits results in some VERY poorly comformed offspring. But of course, they are a lovely colour !! The knackery is full of purpose-bred horses that are, for one reason or another, going to be killed as they are rejects.
So based on my experience, I am hesitant and a little dismayed to look at a ball x carpet and see what people are going on an on about!
I think what Michael is trying to say - on one level at least - is that there is a fear of losing the point from which we all started.
Go bush, and try to sneak up on a Frilly.....go night herping, and spook yourself out looking through and into trees!
Some people are saying the hobby will be turned on its head in the next ten years.
I am sad to agree. I think we are becoming as "gotta have" as the Yanks.......what of the pure lines?
Pilbara Pythons and others will be run off their feet for wild-caught animals LOL.....
Although it sounds almost impossible, my next target are White-lipped pythons. I know they would do well in outdoor enclosures where I live, and I think they would be fantastic species to work with even though they are savage bastards.
Why is it 'sad' that some people like to own or breed reptiles for their colour or pattern etc? Why is it 'sad' that some people just like to have these animals in captivity and not go on herping trips, or study their biology or natural history?
Far out.
My analogy............and please don't tell me I'm talking about mammals, as I am aware of this.
My experience with being around horses all my life tells me that breeding for certain colour traits results in some VERY poorly comformed offspring. But of course, they are a lovely colour !! The knackery is full of purpose-bred horses that are, for one reason or another, going to be killed as they are rejects.
So based on my experience, I am hesitant and a little dismayed to look at a ball x carpet and see what people are going on an on about!
I think what Michael is trying to say - on one level at least - is that there is a fear of losing the point from which we all started.
Go bush, and try to sneak up on a Frilly.....go night herping, and spook yourself out looking through and into trees!
Some people are saying the hobby will be turned on its head in the next ten years.
I am sad to agree. I think we are becoming as "gotta have" as the Yanks.......what of the pure lines?
Pilbara Pythons and others will be run off their feet for wild-caught animals LOL.....
I think you'll find that the ability to produce foals with genetic faults can be applied to any horse breed and not just the colour mutations or dilutes, this is obviously intensified in animal's who are line bred.
This variation within a species is true of all natural populations of animals, for the very good reason that it allows plenty of genetic diversity to cope with environmental changes. However, when traits or characteristics becomes particularly desirable, then they can be selected deliberately by mating like with like. Horses are not as prone to genetic defects or diseases as animals with a shorter generation length like cats and dogs, but they do have a few. Also, because of the selection pressure for performance, no horse breeder in their right mind would actively select for a conformational fault, as occurs in certain small animal breeds. Examples are Persian cats which have permanently runny eyes and breathing problems because of the emphasis by breeders on squashing and elevating the nose, then there are the many breeds of dogs with potentially debilitating and life-shortening faults such as hip dysplasia. In one particular breed of dog, the very serious fault of undershot jaw is considered desirable.
The truth is there is room for every flavour in the hobby. I am not going to get into the nitty gritty of why i keep what i keep simply because it is pointless as each to their own right? No one should have to justify why they keep what they do as it is personal choice. Some keepers would know doubt love to get out and field herp regularly but for whatever reason's aren't able to. That doesn't make their desire to own a species in captivity any less worthy than a seasoned field herper who has studied or desired to study the animal's biology and ecology.
They love being up in the mountains don't they? Would be interesting if you can get them legally... not many have been able to breed them in captivity.
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