Another question about intergrades

[dee4]

Actually none of the snakes were weak, just not suited to the environment.
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It would be just like you trying to live in the north pole without any warmth, it doesn't make you weak, just simply not made for it.
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Sorry, maybe not politically correct in that one but technically the lesser suited(weaker) of that particular species would die off. Hence the more suited(stronger) would survive. This in general would mean that this particular species has, what???????:roll: :roll:

 

[SnakeWrangler]

Well those terms really do not convey what you mean, but seeing as though you explained it like that then yes, the weaker died, but what does this have to do with evolution??

I actually have three albums in my gallery, and they represent four snakes, I now have 5 snakes, but have not got around to adding photos of the new addition. I also have 3 water dragons and a turtle, but I am not sure what this has to do with our discussions??
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Actually I don't have my female coastal pics up there yet, so there are only three snakes in the albums.
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[Pike01]

Wrangler, Thought you were replying to my previous post, I'm just Dumb i guess. Didnt notice i was attacking your character, I just said dont twist my comments to suite your own argument, sorry.
( but isnt that what you just did again)

 

[dee4]

What is evolution?
There would be a wide variety of answers to that to I suppose, but in your case with what you have stated would come under a category of "Adaption and Natural selection", wouldn't you think?
So then with that out of the way, yes, with one particular type of species dying off and another surviving would be evolution. That's what I have to say about that.

 

[SnakeWrangler]

So please dont twist what i say to make me look wrong.

Accusing me of trying to make you look wrong is saying that I am a deceitful person who deliberately tried to attack your integrity, there is no twisting there, you done it, it is as simple as that.

I'm just Dumb i guess

I never suggested or thought this, you simply misunderstood what I said, if you had of read my post and this thread properly you would have seen that my post was actually referring to previous posts by others, which I admit could have been accompanied by a few quotes to make things clearer, so I am partially to blame as well.

What is evolution?
There would be a wide variety of answers to that to I suppose, but in your case with what you have stated would come under a category of "Adaption and Natural selection", wouldn't you think?
So then with that out of the way, yes, with one particular type of species dying off and another surviving would be evolution. That's what I have to say about that.

Evolution could be categorized in one word, CHANGE!!! Adjusting to an environment or dying because you cannot is not the kind of change needed for evolution to stand, adaption is having all the characteristics needed to survive and then a natural occurance takes place that brings those existing characteristics out. This is not changing, but rather specialising what you already have, not generating new genetic information.

 

[BROWNS]

Man i hate it when you type out a reaasonably long and good reply,hit submit and have to bloody login again and you lose everything you wrote..this site sux for that i was inactive for 5 minutes max...what's the go there?I'll try and do it again :roll:

Greebs all spilota get diamond python syndrome that includes intergrade colour forms and carpet including jungle.

Sorry olddude but you lost me there...how the hell can a jungle get diamond python syndrome..come on now,it would at least be called jungle carpet syndrome which i've never heard of any jungle getting anything like DPS!

snake wrangler, you missed the point, I never said or implied there was 20kms with no snakes, my point was the opposite. THERE IS A CONTINOUS GENE FLOW.

pike that's exactly what i was getting at before when Bob said that intergrades stop being intergrades and only 20 k's away there are pure coastals with no trace of diamond,but then says yes an intergade from the most Northern part of it's range could easily breed with a pure coastal which i will say again and is just my opinion but a hypothetical one which is that it would still be an intergrade,an overlapping of 2 species in the wild and maybe in 100 years or so give or take a few here and there,the range for intergrades could extend further North than it does now and possibly further South too...does anyone else see where i'm coming from or what i'm getting at?"contradiction maybe?"

If you have something to add to the current discussions then please do, but dont try and attack my character for no reason.

I think what pike just said in his last 2 posts added a brilliant point to the discussion and i can't see where he attacked your character in anyway,and if he did i'm sure there'd be a good reason..

Sorry, maybe not politically correct in that one but technically the lesser suited(weaker) of that particular species would die off. Hence the more suited(stronger) would survive.

Isn't that theory survival of the fittest?

 

[BROWNS]

 

[africancichlidau]

Browns, do yaself a favour and click the "remember me every visit button" on the login page

 

[SnakeWrangler]

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This post did have a purpose and the contents were not meant as real feelings by me. Browns is obviously not replying so it cannot fulfil its purpose, I am removing it to prevent anyone from maintaining the wrong idea.

It's purpose was to show browns that when someone says something about you that is untrue, it is an obvious attack on your character and who you are.

 

[dee4]

Have you been drinking? It still is a form of evolution. Wouldn't you think Adaption, natural selections or characteristics all stand to be one of a minority of things that do make a CHANGE that is needed for something to survive. EVOLUTION my fine feathered friend isn't prejudice, it just occurs. Anything that makes a changed has evolved in some way or form.

 

[SnakeWrangler]

Have you been drinking? It still is a form of evolution. Wouldn't you think Adaption, natural selections or characteristics all stand to be one of a minority of things that do make a CHANGE that is needed for something to survive. EVOLUTION my fine feathered friend isn't prejudice, it just occurs. Anything that makes a changed has evolved in some way or form.

But now you are trying to bridge the gap without a bridge!!! A snake adapting is nothing like scum to man evolution. They are completely different, the snake had everything needed to adapt, the scum that we supposedly came from had almost nothing needed to produce us. If you cannot see the difference then you may have the problem.

There is even a bigger problem which still isn't answered, which version of evolution is true?? I have this question thrown at me many times relating to my own beliefs, but people fail to see that the grass isn't any greener on the other side.

 

[dee4]

Ppl do fail to see that green pasture, but evolution is evolution isn't it? Like I said no prejudice in any way or form!!!!

 

[SnakeWrangler]

Yes evolution is evolution, but natural selection is not evolution. Evoultion "adds information" natural selection/adaption "takes information", they are the complete opposite of each other.

 

[dee4]

I give up, where's the wall?

 

[BROWNS]

This post did have a purpose and the contents were not meant as real feelings by me. Browns is obviously not replying so it cannot fulfil its purpose, I am removing it to prevent anyone from maintaining the wrong idea.

It's purpose was to show browns that when someone says something about you that is untrue, it is an obvious attack on your character and who you are.

But now you are trying to bridge the gap without a bridge!!! A snake adapting is nothing like scum to man evolution. They are completely different, the snake had everything needed to adapt, the scum that we supposedly came from had almost nothing needed to produce us. If you cannot see the difference then you may have the problem.

There is even a bigger problem which still isn't answered, which version of evolution is true?? I have this question thrown at me many times relating to my own beliefs, but people fail to see that the grass isn't any greener on the other side.

What on earth are you on about...i think you need to move to greener pastures and believe me the "grass"IS greener on the other side.I think you're now just commenting for arguements sake...

 

[SnakeWrangler]

Can you not see that evoultion and natural selection/adaption are competing theories, they do not compliment each other. If both were the same then as evolution adds information, natural selection would come along and take that information again, the process would get nowhere fast.

 

[SnakeWrangler]

This post did have a purpose and the contents were not meant as real feelings by me. Browns is obviously not replying so it cannot fulfil its purpose, I am removing it to prevent anyone from maintaining the wrong idea.

It's purpose was to show browns that when someone says something about you that is untrue, it is an obvious attack on your character and who you are.

But now you are trying to bridge the gap without a bridge!!! A snake adapting is nothing like scum to man evolution. They are completely different, the snake had everything needed to adapt, the scum that we supposedly came from had almost nothing needed to produce us. If you cannot see the difference then you may have the problem.

There is even a bigger problem which still isn't answered, which version of evolution is true?? I have this question thrown at me many times relating to my own beliefs, but people fail to see that the grass isn't any greener on the other side.

What on earth are you on about...i think you need to move to greener pastures and believe me the "grass"IS greener on the other side.I think you're now just commenting for arguements sake...

Clearly you didn't see the post before I edited it, I did not want to leave the post the way it was without a response from you because it would mislead people into thinking that I said the things I said and meant them. It was basically just trying to show you that when someone says something about you that is not true, it is a direct attack on your character, pike01 was making me look bad by saying I was trying to make him (is pike01 as him??) look wrong, if I had not responded people may have believed this when is was purely a misinterpretation of what I said, of which I was partially to blame.

 

[dee4]

Can I have some of what your having.

 

[dee4]

Please, I promise I wont evolve.

 

[SnakeWrangler]

Misdirection, the best way to get out of a losing battle unscaved. You cannot answer my last post because there is a glaring contradiction, evolution cannot work if it takes what it has just added. It just doesn't make sense. I cannot understand the problem, I am almost fighting for evolution (this should read adaption) and you are fighting back. :shock: